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	<title>Comments on: Prochaine station &#8230; oh who cares?</title>
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		<title>By: Samir Metta</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-36732</link>
		<dc:creator>Samir Metta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Thanks Fagstein for the correction. So I guess so I guess Line-6 is Cote-Vertu to Henri-Bourassa? I know it was supposed to be on the north shore (from west to east).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Thanks Fagstein for the correction. So I guess so I guess Line-6 is Cote-Vertu to Henri-Bourassa? I know it was supposed to be on the north shore (from west to east).</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-36710</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 04:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian:  I'm just as frustrated at you are at the lack of subway service to YUL airport.  I've been so for over 20 years.  However, with the airline industry currently in turmoil, and that YUL will very likely no longer be considered an international gateway by 2020 at the latest due to a lack of expansion space, there isn't much point in spending a boatload (actually, two boatloads because this is Quebec) of money on a metro extension.  It's still far too much of an Air Canada airport.  So unless something like Pearson's new terminal happens at YUL, I wouldn't expect airport metro service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian:  I&#8217;m just as frustrated at you are at the lack of subway service to YUL airport.  I&#8217;ve been so for over 20 years.  However, with the airline industry currently in turmoil, and that YUL will very likely no longer be considered an international gateway by 2020 at the latest due to a lack of expansion space, there isn&#8217;t much point in spending a boatload (actually, two boatloads because this is Quebec) of money on a metro extension.  It&#8217;s still far too much of an Air Canada airport.  So unless something like Pearson&#8217;s new terminal happens at YUL, I wouldn&#8217;t expect airport metro service.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-36658</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Line 3 was originally supposed to be a line through the Mount Royal tunnel along what is now the Montreal-Deux-Montagnes train line.

And I don't think it's that politicians don't want subway stations near malls (the mall owners would no doubt love that just like the ones in the underground city are happy that there are metro stations nearby), but rather that huge malls are build in undeveloped areas that aren't prime targets for metro stations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Line 3 was originally supposed to be a line through the Mount Royal tunnel along what is now the Montreal-Deux-Montagnes train line.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that politicians don&#8217;t want subway stations near malls (the mall owners would no doubt love that just like the ones in the underground city are happy that there are metro stations nearby), but rather that huge malls are build in undeveloped areas that aren&#8217;t prime targets for metro stations.</p>
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		<title>By: Samir Metta</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-36642</link>
		<dc:creator>Samir Metta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me the lines I would are the ones that should have been done in the 90's but put in momentum (which Line-7 (white line) all the way along Pie-IX Blvd., Line-5 (blue) from N-D-G to Anjou, Line-3 and Line-6 (which were never mentionned anywhere but guess why there are missing line numbers) which is the red line from Côte Vertu to Henri-Bourassa and magenta line from Lionel-Groulx to Brossard's Panama's actual bus station and, finally, the full circle of Line-2 (orange) going to Carrefour Laval as a closure point).

I don't know if it's either the government or the businesses that are afraid of subway stations near their mall (examples: Carrefour Angrignon, Carrefour Laval, Place Vertu, Mail Champlain, etc...), but bottom line: it makes me sick that subway lines aren't updated since 1988.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me the lines I would are the ones that should have been done in the 90&#8217;s but put in momentum (which Line-7 (white line) all the way along Pie-IX Blvd., Line-5 (blue) from N-D-G to Anjou, Line-3 and Line-6 (which were never mentionned anywhere but guess why there are missing line numbers) which is the red line from Côte Vertu to Henri-Bourassa and magenta line from Lionel-Groulx to Brossard&#8217;s Panama&#8217;s actual bus station and, finally, the full circle of Line-2 (orange) going to Carrefour Laval as a closure point).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s either the government or the businesses that are afraid of subway stations near their mall (examples: Carrefour Angrignon, Carrefour Laval, Place Vertu, Mail Champlain, etc&#8230;), but bottom line: it makes me sick that subway lines aren&#8217;t updated since 1988.</p>
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		<title>By: Samir Metta</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-36639</link>
		<dc:creator>Samir Metta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry 900 million$ and 300 million$ (not 9 million$ and 3 million$). Sorry to be very late on my mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry 900 million$ and 300 million$ (not 9 million$ and 3 million$). Sorry to be very late on my mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Samir Metta</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-22426</link>
		<dc:creator>Samir Metta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what's wrong with the 1.5 billion blue line project? The government spent almost 9 million dollars last year on Laval's subway (which was supposed to be 3 million dollars due to some bad designed rail constructions). Projects like those don't come only from people's taxes. It comes from company taxes and loans from banks (which is also companies and people's money).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what&#8217;s wrong with the 1.5 billion blue line project? The government spent almost 9 million dollars last year on Laval&#8217;s subway (which was supposed to be 3 million dollars due to some bad designed rail constructions). Projects like those don&#8217;t come only from people&#8217;s taxes. It comes from company taxes and loans from banks (which is also companies and people&#8217;s money).</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein &#187; A small step for West Island bus service</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-2424</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein &#187; A small step for West Island bus service</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to do something during the day, at night or on the weekend. Some people (like me) have suggested over and over and over that the service be extended to become a regular 7-day route, just like the 211 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to do something during the day, at night or on the weekend. Some people (like me) have suggested over and over and over that the service be extended to become a regular 7-day route, just like the 211 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein &#187; Fairview: No longer the centre of the West Island universe?</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein &#187; Fairview: No longer the centre of the West Island universe?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] express service is a brilliant idea (if only someone had thought of it earlier), but I&#8217;m unconvinced that enough people are taking trips where going through Fairview is a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] express service is a brilliant idea (if only someone had thought of it earlier), but I&#8217;m unconvinced that enough people are taking trips where going through Fairview is a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-333</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 11:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take issue with the comment that I am a "angryphone griping"...I am far from that the label...Anyway, the point of my post was to merely point out that it doesn't make sense that Dorval, the International Airport is not connected to the main transport system of the city. I personally don't see the point of a  high speed train. And yes such plans for a metro are expensive, but to me, it's an investment worth making. It serves a dual purpose of joining other "major" cities that connect their metros to the International Airport and the fact it will promote public transport. I know it will never happen, but it should be at least be examined as an option.....before it gets even more expensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take issue with the comment that I am a &#8220;angryphone griping&#8221;&#8230;I am far from that the label&#8230;Anyway, the point of my post was to merely point out that it doesn&#8217;t make sense that Dorval, the International Airport is not connected to the main transport system of the city. I personally don&#8217;t see the point of a  high speed train. And yes such plans for a metro are expensive, but to me, it&#8217;s an investment worth making. It serves a dual purpose of joining other &#8220;major&#8221; cities that connect their metros to the International Airport and the fact it will promote public transport. I know it will never happen, but it should be at least be examined as an option&#8230;..before it gets even more expensive!</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 21:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The blue line Eastward is definitely a good idea, and studies have shown that. Of course, because the voters in that area aren't as swingable as those in Laval, it will probably be delayed for quite a while longer.

I would also be OK extending the blue line West into NDG somewhat, since a lot of people live there, but not further West than that.

The orange line at Cote-Vertu could be extended a bit further north, perhaps to Henri-Bourassa and the Bois Franc train station.

The green line could be extended westward into LaSalle along Newman Blvd. (On the East side, it ends just before Montreal-Est, an industrial area that won't be well served my metros)

The reason I give the above extensions is that they've already shown to be high-traffic through the use of buses in those areas (64, 105, 106 etc.), and the metro would be transferring existing customers to a faster service.

The yellow line is a strange case. An extension to McGill would have as its sole purpose to reduce traffic on the green line at rush hour. Creating a new tunnel for that purpose seems like a waste to me. On the other side, there's already a huge terminal at Longueuil, and I don't see any obvious place it should be extended further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blue line Eastward is definitely a good idea, and studies have shown that. Of course, because the voters in that area aren&#8217;t as swingable as those in Laval, it will probably be delayed for quite a while longer.</p>
<p>I would also be OK extending the blue line West into NDG somewhat, since a lot of people live there, but not further West than that.</p>
<p>The orange line at Cote-Vertu could be extended a bit further north, perhaps to Henri-Bourassa and the Bois Franc train station.</p>
<p>The green line could be extended westward into LaSalle along Newman Blvd. (On the East side, it ends just before Montreal-Est, an industrial area that won&#8217;t be well served my metros)</p>
<p>The reason I give the above extensions is that they&#8217;ve already shown to be high-traffic through the use of buses in those areas (64, 105, 106 etc.), and the metro would be transferring existing customers to a faster service.</p>
<p>The yellow line is a strange case. An extension to McGill would have as its sole purpose to reduce traffic on the green line at rush hour. Creating a new tunnel for that purpose seems like a waste to me. On the other side, there&#8217;s already a huge terminal at Longueuil, and I don&#8217;t see any obvious place it should be extended further.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were extending metros anyway, I would still go with the blue line because it'd give the blue line a bit more purpose, haha.

If you were to extend the metro *somewhere* where would you go with it? Do any of the schemes that have been proposed in the last ten years or so make sense to you? (Blue line to Anjou, yellow line to McGill, yellow line deeper into the South Shore... any that I'm forgetting?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were extending metros anyway, I would still go with the blue line because it&#8217;d give the blue line a bit more purpose, haha.</p>
<p>If you were to extend the metro *somewhere* where would you go with it? Do any of the schemes that have been proposed in the last ten years or so make sense to you? (Blue line to Anjou, yellow line to McGill, yellow line deeper into the South Shore&#8230; any that I&#8217;m forgetting?)</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's certainly possible, but it would cost more. Running it through Lachine would probably make it cost double what it is now (mind you, if you're going to run it that far south, you might as well extend the green line instead of the blue).

In any case, let's start with improved bus service first and then see how many people think an express shuttle isn't fast enough for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s certainly possible, but it would cost more. Running it through Lachine would probably make it cost double what it is now (mind you, if you&#8217;re going to run it that far south, you might as well extend the green line instead of the blue).</p>
<p>In any case, let&#8217;s start with improved bus service first and then see how many people think an express shuttle isn&#8217;t fast enough for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/05/02/prochaine-station-oh-who-cares/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, but is there any reason this extension couldn't run through NDG to Loyola, and then beyond, at least through the more densely-populated parts of Lachine (which, in my limited experience, are rather urban-seeming)? It wouldn't have to be a straight line of useless tunnel from Snowdon to the airport.

I'm not saying that a metro extension to the West Island would necessarily be a good idea, but neither do I think it's necessarily as bad as you might have us believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, but is there any reason this extension couldn&#8217;t run through NDG to Loyola, and then beyond, at least through the more densely-populated parts of Lachine (which, in my limited experience, are rather urban-seeming)? It wouldn&#8217;t have to be a straight line of useless tunnel from Snowdon to the airport.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that a metro extension to the West Island would necessarily be a good idea, but neither do I think it&#8217;s necessarily as bad as you might have us believe.</p>
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