Comments on: The highway link to nowhere http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/ Can you think of a better name? Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:25:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-277412 Eric Thu, 09 Jun 2011 06:41:52 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-277412 Welcome to Québec, land of immobilism. A lot of things planned in the 60s are not yet done!! :-( Welcome to Québec, land of immobilism. A lot of things planned in the 60s are not yet done!! :-(

]]> By: Jason http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-222764 Jason Wed, 05 Jan 2011 16:20:53 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-222764 I have updated "My" new road and added some connections in Pierrefonds, Kirkland and Beaurepaire/Beaconsfield. My idea is to increase the possible connections from point A to point B so that no one road gets over loaded. Take a look: http://www.sigmawave.com/jason/new_road_2.jpg I have updated "My" new road and added some connections in Pierrefonds, Kirkland and Beaurepaire/Beaconsfield. My idea is to increase the possible connections from point A to point B so that no one road gets over loaded.

Take a look: http://www.sigmawave.com/jason/new_road_2.jpg

]]> By: Jason http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-211327 Jason Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:47:34 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-211327 Now that Ville de Kirkland has decided to be a total A-hole by adding "No Left Turns" on Henri Daoust during morning rush hour traffic, we need that new road more than ever. Henri Daoust is the only road that goes south from Antoine Faucon and stupid Kirkland is taking this vital shortcut away. Please whomever is reading this from Pierrefonds, please build the new road! Just put a simple gravel road for the time being to alleviate the traffic on Antoine Faucon. Is it to much trouble to get a simple route to the Beaconsfield Train Station without having to sit in traffic for 30min+? Now that Ville de Kirkland has decided to be a total A-hole by adding "No Left Turns" on Henri Daoust during morning rush hour traffic, we need that new road more than ever. Henri Daoust is the only road that goes south from Antoine Faucon and stupid Kirkland is taking this vital shortcut away.

Please whomever is reading this from Pierrefonds, please build the new road! Just put a simple gravel road for the time being to alleviate the traffic on Antoine Faucon. Is it to much trouble to get a simple route to the Beaconsfield Train Station without having to sit in traffic for 30min+?

]]> By: Jason http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-158420 Jason Wed, 09 Jun 2010 21:27:35 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-158420 I was just thinking, if/when a highway or boulevard is created will it stop at the 40 or will it go all the way to the 20? Look at the map: http://www.sigmawave.com/jason/new_road.jpg Right now, if you are on the 20 once you past St. Charles, the only North/South route is all the way in Saint-Anne-De-Belleview. "My" new road (see map above) connects boul. Gouin, boul. Pierrefonds, Antoine Faucon, Highway 40, ave Elm, Highway 20 and finally ave Woodland together. It also provides quick access to the Beaurepaire train station on the Dorion line. I know what you are saying, "who's going to want a busy highway in their neighborhood?" But that's one of my points in a previous post. It doesn't have to be a highway. Another major urban boulevard like St. Charles or St. Jean will do wonders! I was just thinking, if/when a highway or boulevard is created will it stop at the 40 or will it go all the way to the 20?

Look at the map: http://www.sigmawave.com/jason/new_road.jpg

Right now, if you are on the 20 once you past St. Charles, the only North/South route is all the way in Saint-Anne-De-Belleview.

"My" new road (see map above) connects boul. Gouin, boul. Pierrefonds, Antoine Faucon, Highway 40, ave Elm, Highway 20 and finally ave Woodland together. It also provides quick access to the Beaurepaire train station on the Dorion line.

I know what you are saying, "who's going to want a busy highway in their neighborhood?" But that's one of my points in a previous post. It doesn't have to be a highway. Another major urban boulevard like St. Charles or St. Jean will do wonders!

]]> By: Jason http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-98502 Jason Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:39:55 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-98502 I agree, the Ill Blizzard portion is a bad idea. My point was to build the section that would be built on the West Island. Doesn't have to be a highway, another "St. Charles" or St. jean" would be fine. Heck, I'll even settle for a gravel road! A few days ago, I drove around the Ill Blizzard "lakeshore" road and it was spectacular. Adding another bridge to Laval or Ill Bigras wouldn't be a bad idea. Not a bridge for cars, just for bikes and people. I agree, the Ill Blizzard portion is a bad idea. My point was to build the section that would be built on the West Island. Doesn't have to be a highway, another "St. Charles" or St. jean" would be fine. Heck, I'll even settle for a gravel road!

A few days ago, I drove around the Ill Blizzard "lakeshore" road and it was spectacular. Adding another bridge to Laval or Ill Bigras wouldn't be a bad idea. Not a bridge for cars, just for bikes and people.

]]> By: Jay http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-98458 Jay Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:53:34 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-98458 I can promise any person in favor of this pointless highway extension that if it does see the light of day that L'Ile Bizard for the majority, will waste your tax paying dollars with petition after petition and will have every single environmental group you can think of and locally and nationally to aide in the topple of this ridiculous 'plan'. The plan was made originally in the 60's and times have changed since then thankfully. We should learn from our mistakes rather than repeat them-its a no-brainer. L'Ile Bizard is rich in wildlife and natural habitat sensitive to such disruption. In the spring, summer and fall the boat launch and small beach on the west side sees hundreds of visitors to enjoy the somewhat clean waters of Lake of 2 Mountains. Cyclists and Kayaking are enjoyed by outdoors lovers. Why destroy a natural gold mine so close to the city? This green space is there for us now and should be for future generations to enjoy. This entire area should be formally protected by the government of Quebec with support of it's tax paying peoples. I can promise any person in favor of this pointless highway extension that if it does see the light of day that L'Ile Bizard for the majority, will waste your tax paying dollars with petition after petition and will have every single environmental group you can think of and locally and nationally to aide in the topple of this ridiculous 'plan'. The plan was made originally in the 60's and times have changed since then thankfully. We should learn from our mistakes rather than repeat them-its a no-brainer.
L'Ile Bizard is rich in wildlife and natural habitat sensitive to such disruption.
In the spring, summer and fall the boat launch and small beach on the west side sees hundreds of visitors to enjoy the somewhat clean waters of Lake of 2 Mountains. Cyclists and Kayaking are enjoyed by outdoors lovers. Why destroy a natural gold mine so close to the city? This green space is there for us now and should be for future generations to enjoy. This entire area should be formally protected by the government of Quebec with support of it's tax paying peoples.

]]> By: Jason http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-72975 Jason Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:50:20 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-72975 Its in the plan alright, since the 1960s Its in the plan alright, since the 1960s

]]> By: SMS http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-72880 SMS Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:12:58 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-72880 It's in the plan de transport. It's in the plan de transport.

]]> By: Jason http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-72751 Jason Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:42:47 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-72751 I live in Pierrefonds, not to far from where the highway would be built. I say BRING IT ON. Do you know how much traffic is on Antoine Faucon during the morning rush hour? Its a freaking residential street! Its the only one out of the area though so all the traffic has to go on it. I don't care if the build the highway or not. I really don't but at least put a road on that reserved land in Pierrefonds. Road or Highway, I don't care, but PLEASE PUT SOMETHING!!!! I live in Pierrefonds, not to far from where the highway would be built. I say BRING IT ON.

Do you know how much traffic is on Antoine Faucon during the morning rush hour? Its a freaking residential street! Its the only one out of the area though so all the traffic has to go on it.

I don't care if the build the highway or not. I really don't but at least put a road on that reserved land in Pierrefonds.
Road or Highway, I don't care, but PLEASE PUT SOMETHING!!!!

]]> By: Le David http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-58781 Le David Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:02:54 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-58781 I don't want to sound rude, but Christian's observations sound incredibly closed-minded, thinking only of the current situations and not those of the future. Fuck getting to/from a metro station based on convenience, I take the train every Goddamned day and you don't hear me complain because it's part of suburban life. Fuck 'instant' access to offshore stripmalls and the whatnot, we have enough of those here in our sprawling metropolis. And the Jacques-Bizard bridge? They're expanding it as we speak, making it more accessible to pedestrians and cyclistes; not to mention, it's far from collapsing. "Old People" make up a minority of those who frequent the nature park, as I myself used to enjoy riding my bike there often enough. People who think this way piss the shit outa me, as if it is even possible to defecate urine. The ferry is run by cables, and water, which is a renewable source of energy. The drive to ski resorts is part of the anticipation of getting there and enjoying yourself. Clearly, SOME of us don't live in/around L'Ile Bizard, or appreciate the little scenic values it even has left. I don't want to sound rude, but Christian's observations sound incredibly closed-minded, thinking only of the current situations and not those of the future. Fuck getting to/from a metro station based on convenience, I take the train every Goddamned day and you don't hear me complain because it's part of suburban life. Fuck 'instant' access to offshore stripmalls and the whatnot, we have enough of those here in our sprawling metropolis. And the Jacques-Bizard bridge? They're expanding it as we speak, making it more accessible to pedestrians and cyclistes; not to mention, it's far from collapsing. "Old People" make up a minority of those who frequent the nature park, as I myself used to enjoy riding my bike there often enough.

People who think this way piss the shit outa me, as if it is even possible to defecate urine. The ferry is run by cables, and water, which is a renewable source of energy. The drive to ski resorts is part of the anticipation of getting there and enjoying yourself. Clearly, SOME of us don't live in/around L'Ile Bizard, or appreciate the little scenic values it even has left.

]]> By: Christian Provost http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-35216 Christian Provost Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:20:46 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-35216 I don't care if we have to destroy the nature park, what's better, in your opinion? -- Taking 1 hour to go to St-Jérôme from L'Île-Bizard just to let many old people visit their nature park to let them have their peace, or that it takes only 25-30 minutes to go there (much easier to go skiing yahies!!! :D),10 minutes to go to Carrefour Laval and about 15-20 minutes to go to the metro station on St Martin Blvd? Is that influencing our life time or quality to have a highway in L'Ile-Bizard? I don't think so... But I agree that many people living on streets as on Rue Thibodeau may hear cars and trucks all the time rolling at over 100 kmph. AND, the Jacques-Bizard Bridge!! How much time will it take to collapse since we don't have a second and faster-driving bridge to take? It will make students losing 1 or 2 years of school, people poor because not working, of course!! we have the ferry, but have a good waiting time! I don't care if we have to destroy the nature park,

what's better, in your opinion? -- Taking 1 hour to go to St-Jérôme from L'Île-Bizard just to let many old people visit their nature park to let them have their peace, or that it takes only 25-30 minutes to go there (much easier to go skiing yahies!!! :D),10 minutes to go to Carrefour Laval and about 15-20 minutes to go to the metro station on St Martin Blvd?

Is that influencing our life time or quality to have a highway in L'Ile-Bizard? I don't think so...

But I agree that many people living on streets as on Rue Thibodeau may hear cars and trucks all the time rolling at over 100 kmph.

AND, the Jacques-Bizard Bridge!! How much time will it take to collapse since we don't have a second and faster-driving bridge to take? It will make students losing 1 or 2 years of school, people poor because not working, of course!! we have the ferry, but have a good waiting time!

]]> By: Heather Deeks http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-26090 Heather Deeks Sun, 13 Apr 2008 05:18:18 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-26090 I've seen this story repeatedly played out my entire life. Nature mowed down in the name of "progress" I was at the park on April 10th, there are many migratory birds there. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought interferring with migratory birds, ie, geese, herons, is a crime punishable under the Criminal Code, n'est pas? Why doesn't the park have the status of Migratory Bird Sanctuary? I also totally agree with Chris- Letter # 6 - a new highway isn't going to do anything to alleviate the traffic problems around Montreal. Quebec should follow the Swiss example and demand that all inter-provincial truck traffic passing thru it's territory use railways instead. That ought free up some highways. Thanks for posting the article, interesting blog! I've seen this story repeatedly played out my entire life. Nature mowed down in the name of "progress" I was at the park on April 10th, there are many migratory birds there. Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought interferring with migratory birds, ie, geese, herons, is a crime punishable under the Criminal Code, n'est pas? Why doesn't the park have the status of Migratory Bird Sanctuary?
I also totally agree with Chris- Letter # 6 - a new highway isn't going to do anything to alleviate the traffic problems around Montreal. Quebec should follow the Swiss example and demand that all inter-provincial truck traffic passing thru it's territory use railways instead. That ought free up some highways.

Thanks for posting the article, interesting blog!

]]> By: Shawn http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-11705 Shawn Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:59:32 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-11705 Extending Jacques Bizard makes sense. I sometimes come home to Ile Bizard via the Pierrefonds side of Jacques Bizard when stopping at Reno Depot or Canadian Tire. The highway 440 extension would destroy many of the positive aspects of Ile Bizard, which include the remaining green spaces and also diversity of wilflife (including deer and owls). What we need to alleviate traffic congestion is a Metro extension from Cote Vertu to Fairview !! An additional stop near the Kirkland Coliseum area would also be good for facilitating the commute into the city for off-island residents. Extending Jacques Bizard makes sense. I sometimes come home to Ile Bizard via the Pierrefonds side of Jacques Bizard when stopping at Reno Depot or Canadian Tire.

The highway 440 extension would destroy many of the positive aspects of Ile Bizard, which include the remaining green spaces and also diversity of wilflife (including deer and owls).

What we need to alleviate traffic congestion is a Metro extension from Cote Vertu to Fairview !! An additional stop near the Kirkland Coliseum area would also be good for facilitating the commute into the city for off-island residents.

]]> By: Fagstein » A city planner is getting rich somewhere http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-2723 Fagstein » A city planner is getting rich somewhere Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:33:50 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-2723 [...] the study will find a way to justify a project that won’t help anyone get to work any faster. Tagged Highway 440 extension, Pierrefonds and urban planning Comments RSS feed |Trackback URL [...] [...] the study will find a way to justify a project that won’t help anyone get to work any faster. Tagged Highway 440 extension, Pierrefonds and urban planning Comments RSS feed |Trackback URL [...]

]]> By: Neath http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-1089 Neath Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:21:54 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-1089 Interesting point, Chris. The one thing politicians don't seem to want to admit is that traffic situations cannot be improved, it s a horrible catch 22 - if you did improve it, more people will drive making traffic the same or worse. And that s the whole story in a nutshell. Interesting point, Chris. The one thing politicians don't seem to want to admit is that traffic situations cannot be improved, it s a horrible catch 22 - if you did improve it, more people will drive making traffic the same or worse. And that s the whole story in a nutshell.

]]> By: Chris http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-1051 Chris Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:09:10 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-1051 I was hoping we finally figured out that new highways only CREATE MORE TRAFFIC and do little to alleviate traffic problems elsewhere. St. Charles, Sources, etc. might see a slight reduction in traffic at first but as soon as the new strip malls and fast food joints open on the new "urban boulevard" and more people start driving because there are more places to do it and the illusion that traffic is now better, traffic will be just as bad and people will be whining about needing another highway. Highway construction needs to be a thing of the past. We need to look at as something old fashioned and highways themselves should be looked at as relics from the 20th century much like we look at old factories and the Lachine Canal now. I was hoping we finally figured out that new highways only CREATE MORE TRAFFIC and do little to alleviate traffic problems elsewhere. St. Charles, Sources, etc. might see a slight reduction in traffic at first but as soon as the new strip malls and fast food joints open on the new "urban boulevard" and more people start driving because there are more places to do it and the illusion that traffic is now better, traffic will be just as bad and people will be whining about needing another highway.

Highway construction needs to be a thing of the past. We need to look at as something old fashioned and highways themselves should be looked at as relics from the 20th century much like we look at old factories and the Lachine Canal now.

]]> By: Casey McKinnon http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-1037 Casey McKinnon Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:04:45 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-1037 You know Sommerset (part of Jacques Bizard that divides DDO from Kirkland)? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=jacques+bizard,+pierrefonds,+qc&sll=45.48326,-73.80797&sspn=0.28548,0.752563&ie=UTF8&ll=45.469732,-73.847823&spn=0.017847,0.047035&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1 That street was originally supposed to be a highway that went straight to the Lakeshore General hospital! (Pretty important road, huh?) Well, thanks to stupid people who moved onto Jacques Bizard and Sommerset and didn't look at the street plans before doing so... they petitioned so that the city could not build a major street or highway. The same happened to other streets in that area (streets that were supposed to go through to de Salaberry, do not... because locals complained that it would cause too much traffic). Seriously, my parents were the first to move into the Westminster area and chose the location to build their house because they studied the street plan... these petitioners should have known better before they moved to the area. Imagine how much easier an ambulance could get to the hospital with a direct route... and less traffic due to another major street. C. You know Sommerset (part of Jacques Bizard that divides DDO from Kirkland)?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=jacques+bizard,+pierrefonds,+qc&sll=45.48326,-73.80797&sspn=0.28548,0.752563&ie=UTF8&ll=45.469732,-73.847823&spn=0.017847,0.047035&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1

That street was originally supposed to be a highway that went straight to the Lakeshore General hospital! (Pretty important road, huh?) Well, thanks to stupid people who moved onto Jacques Bizard and Sommerset and didn't look at the street plans before doing so... they petitioned so that the city could not build a major street or highway.

The same happened to other streets in that area (streets that were supposed to go through to de Salaberry, do not... because locals complained that it would cause too much traffic). Seriously, my parents were the first to move into the Westminster area and chose the location to build their house because they studied the street plan... these petitioners should have known better before they moved to the area.

Imagine how much easier an ambulance could get to the hospital with a direct route... and less traffic due to another major street.

C.

]]> By: Neath http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-1036 Neath Tue, 14 Aug 2007 23:46:58 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-1036 I dunno, maybe if Mirabel had been a success, but Mirabel was doomed without a high speed train to downtown that never got built because land was owned by.....The powers that be are totally stoned on freeways and bypasses and billion dollar projects these days...We used to actually believe we were a world class city here, but with our green space record in the Sustainable Era we are getting to be more on a par with Buffalo all the time, and they are digging up the golf course at the airport as well. I dunno, maybe if Mirabel had been a success, but Mirabel was doomed without a high speed train to downtown that never got built because land was owned by.....The powers that be are totally stoned on freeways and bypasses and billion dollar projects these days...We used to actually believe we were a world class city here, but with our green space record in the Sustainable Era we are getting to be more on a par with Buffalo all the time, and they are digging up the golf course at the airport as well.

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-1031 Fagstein Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:08:00 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-1031 It is paved with the BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE! (It's also slightly more transparent) It is paved with the BLOOD OF THE PEOPLE!

(It's also slightly more transparent)

]]> By: Kristian http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/08/13/the-highway-link-to-nowhere/comment-page-1/#comment-1027 Kristian Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:55:25 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=647#comment-1027 Looking at this map, you'll notice that the proposed highway is fatter and redder than the existing roads, which are skinny and yellow. Looking at this map, you'll notice that the proposed highway is fatter and redder than the existing roads, which are skinny and yellow.

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