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	<title>Comments on: Turcot project should please everyone, but doesn&#8217;t</title>
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	<description>Can you think of a better name?</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dawson</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/06/turcot-project-should-please-everyone-but-doesnt/comment-page-1/#comment-51173</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the MTQ is planning here is a waste of money!

In transit, Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the MTQ is planning here is a waste of money!</p>
<p>In transit, Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Amis de Meadowbrook</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/06/turcot-project-should-please-everyone-but-doesnt/comment-page-1/#comment-23520</link>
		<dc:creator>Amis de Meadowbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Les Amis de Meadowbrook is getting together with groups that support the Falaise with a plan for a Trame Verte.

We have been working on the idea of a green belt in the south west of Montreal with Patrick Asch of Heritage Laurentien.

It’s possible to link up the Parc des Rapides, Douglas Hospital grounds, Angrignon Park, the Falaise, and Meadowbrook. Residents of the west and south west would be able to enjoy bicycle paths, cross country ski trails and walking trails. This could bring tourists in and provide other benefits to this area. Eventually this could also be extended to Lachine.

This is quite urgent, because of the rebuilding of the Turcot Interchange, which could affect the Falaise. There are also plans in the works to develop Meadowabrook Golf Course.

If any one knows of community groups and other individuals in the south west that would be willing to support this idea, please e-mail:

savemeadow@yahoo.ca</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les Amis de Meadowbrook is getting together with groups that support the Falaise with a plan for a Trame Verte.</p>
<p>We have been working on the idea of a green belt in the south west of Montreal with Patrick Asch of Heritage Laurentien.</p>
<p>It’s possible to link up the Parc des Rapides, Douglas Hospital grounds, Angrignon Park, the Falaise, and Meadowbrook. Residents of the west and south west would be able to enjoy bicycle paths, cross country ski trails and walking trails. This could bring tourists in and provide other benefits to this area. Eventually this could also be extended to Lachine.</p>
<p>This is quite urgent, because of the rebuilding of the Turcot Interchange, which could affect the Falaise. There are also plans in the works to develop Meadowabrook Golf Course.</p>
<p>If any one knows of community groups and other individuals in the south west that would be willing to support this idea, please e-mail:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:savemeadow@yahoo.ca">savemeadow@yahoo.ca</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neath</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/06/turcot-project-should-please-everyone-but-doesnt/comment-page-1/#comment-2076</link>
		<dc:creator>Neath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 05:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly. It s the Catch 22 of urban freeways, even if you could actually improve it, say a typical commute from Pointe Claire to downtown and, realistically, 30 seconds is an improvement, many borderline train takers would get back on the road. Urban sprawl didn&#039;t work. Everyone knows it, but like global warming, it s kind of overwhelming to face it dead on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly. It s the Catch 22 of urban freeways, even if you could actually improve it, say a typical commute from Pointe Claire to downtown and, realistically, 30 seconds is an improvement, many borderline train takers would get back on the road. Urban sprawl didn't work. Everyone knows it, but like global warming, it s kind of overwhelming to face it dead on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/06/turcot-project-should-please-everyone-but-doesnt/comment-page-1/#comment-2065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benefits - what benefits? improving car flow means more cars - more pollution
Never mind I&#039;ve been offered 64 cents on the dollar for my triplex.
That means loosing 3 yrs salary. Bankrupcy here I come - I&#039;ll be in dept for the rest of my life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benefits - what benefits? improving car flow means more cars - more pollution<br />
Never mind I've been offered 64 cents on the dollar for my triplex.<br />
That means loosing 3 yrs salary. Bankrupcy here I come - I'll be in dept for the rest of my life.</p>
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		<title>By: Neath</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/06/turcot-project-should-please-everyone-but-doesnt/comment-page-1/#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>Neath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should mention renegade bloggers as well :P. One thing that just jumps out at me is them saying the new interchange will lower maintenance costs. Hello? This is the organization that has been lowballing maintenance costs, let alone even making proper assessments of highway overpasses, for over 40 years.  The word &quot;spaghetti&quot; enters into their talk about the current interchange a lot. You have a bunch of ramps going exactly where they are supposed to go, but somehow that is bad. Take a closer look at the plan and you will see there will still be plenty of elevated stuff there, except maybe the new word will be &quot;lasagna&quot;.

The &quot;Cabot&quot; area of Cote Saint Paul is an industrial/residential area where the locals got shafted by the city years ago when they tried to get a fair price for their land which is in a heavily contaminated area. Businesses will close and not just because the land will be expropriated but because traffic will be avoiding key places like the plague for years during the construction phase. If you think Saint Lawrence street is a disaster this year just wait to see the effects of Projet Turcot on businesses in especially the South West.

Anyway, I would like to like the plan to be honest, but have zero faith that the &quot;to be developed&quot; area will not end up being a new industrial zone. And there are satellite issues, 4 interchanges are to be replaced  and that will divert traffic simultaneously over the whole south west side of the city. Will the new interchange become the future east west dividing line for the island? There is just an enormous amount of possible negatives that sprawl around this plan - it s uncanny. 6 years is plenty of time to screw a lot of stuff up. and on it goes.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should mention renegade bloggers as well :P. One thing that just jumps out at me is them saying the new interchange will lower maintenance costs. Hello? This is the organization that has been lowballing maintenance costs, let alone even making proper assessments of highway overpasses, for over 40 years.  The word "spaghetti" enters into their talk about the current interchange a lot. You have a bunch of ramps going exactly where they are supposed to go, but somehow that is bad. Take a closer look at the plan and you will see there will still be plenty of elevated stuff there, except maybe the new word will be "lasagna".</p>
<p>The "Cabot" area of Cote Saint Paul is an industrial/residential area where the locals got shafted by the city years ago when they tried to get a fair price for their land which is in a heavily contaminated area. Businesses will close and not just because the land will be expropriated but because traffic will be avoiding key places like the plague for years during the construction phase. If you think Saint Lawrence street is a disaster this year just wait to see the effects of Projet Turcot on businesses in especially the South West.</p>
<p>Anyway, I would like to like the plan to be honest, but have zero faith that the "to be developed" area will not end up being a new industrial zone. And there are satellite issues, 4 interchanges are to be replaced  and that will divert traffic simultaneously over the whole south west side of the city. Will the new interchange become the future east west dividing line for the island? There is just an enormous amount of possible negatives that sprawl around this plan - it s uncanny. 6 years is plenty of time to screw a lot of stuff up. and on it goes.....</p>
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