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	<title>Comments on: Self-centred drivers have short-sighted views</title>
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	<description>Can you think of a better name?</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dawson</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/09/self-centred-drivers-have-short-sighted-views/comment-page-1/#comment-3081</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that this story was strange too. I work in a wear house and unload/load trucks through out the day.

Also the idea of a &quot;ring road&quot; or a &quot;beltway&quot; is a bad idea ecologicaly &amp; economicaly, in that this will only produce sprawl, encourage long haul trucking and we don&#039;t need an economic doughnut. In North America what we have isn&#039;t a lack of road space, but more like a lack of controling that road space through means such as tolling or congestion charging(think about a cover charge at a club, but in this case one for a city if you choose to take your car).

Instead building Autoroute-30 it would be more cost effective and environmentally friendly to restore rail lines on the south shore and run commuter trains and freight trains. 

A good example of what to do would be to follow what the Swiss did with a concept called &quot;Rolling Highway&quot; where trucks drive directly on to a train(as with a ferry) and could bypass entire areas.

http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df12112006b.jpg
http://www.swissworld.org/en/switzerland/swiss_specials/swiss_trains/rolling_highway/

In transit, Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that this story was strange too. I work in a wear house and unload/load trucks through out the day.</p>
<p>Also the idea of a "ring road" or a "beltway" is a bad idea ecologicaly &amp; economicaly, in that this will only produce sprawl, encourage long haul trucking and we don't need an economic doughnut. In North America what we have isn't a lack of road space, but more like a lack of controling that road space through means such as tolling or congestion charging(think about a cover charge at a club, but in this case one for a city if you choose to take your car).</p>
<p>Instead building Autoroute-30 it would be more cost effective and environmentally friendly to restore rail lines on the south shore and run commuter trains and freight trains. </p>
<p>A good example of what to do would be to follow what the Swiss did with a concept called "Rolling Highway" where trucks drive directly on to a train(as with a ferry) and could bypass entire areas.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df12112006b.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalcorridors.org/df/df12112006b.jpg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.swissworld.org/en/switzerland/swiss_specials/swiss_trains/rolling_highway/" rel="nofollow">http://www.swissworld.org/en/switzerland/swiss_specials/swiss_trains/rolling_highway/</a></p>
<p>In transit, Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: princess iveylocks</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/09/self-centred-drivers-have-short-sighted-views/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>princess iveylocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Londontown (ON) doesn&#039;t have a &quot;ring road&quot; either, but whether we&#039;re a large city or not is debatable. Many people (rightly) feel we are a mythical construct stemming from lingering post-colonial angst.

Anyway, living in London has taught me one important lesson: people don&#039;t walk anywhere when huge construction/utility/delivery/garbage trucks are rattling through the urban streets, spewing soot all over the sidewalks. They drive. And sit in traffic, fuming, for hours, because by God these roads were not intended to handle this many cars, and I damn well have the right to drive my Hummer seven blocks, because God knows I&#039;ve earned it, living in this grimy, polluted, cesspool of filth day in, day out...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Londontown (ON) doesn't have a "ring road" either, but whether we're a large city or not is debatable. Many people (rightly) feel we are a mythical construct stemming from lingering post-colonial angst.</p>
<p>Anyway, living in London has taught me one important lesson: people don't walk anywhere when huge construction/utility/delivery/garbage trucks are rattling through the urban streets, spewing soot all over the sidewalks. They drive. And sit in traffic, fuming, for hours, because by God these roads were not intended to handle this many cars, and I damn well have the right to drive my Hummer seven blocks, because God knows I've earned it, living in this grimy, polluted, cesspool of filth day in, day out...</p>
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		<title>By: blork</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/09/self-centred-drivers-have-short-sighted-views/comment-page-1/#comment-2112</link>
		<dc:creator>blork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 17:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, and I don&#039;t know. But probably more than you&#039;d think.

Another spin on the story (&quot;drivers want trucks banned during rush hour&quot;) is &quot;trucks and passers-through want alternative to avoid rush hour traffic jams.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, and I don't know. But probably more than you'd think.</p>
<p>Another spin on the story ("drivers want trucks banned during rush hour") is "trucks and passers-through want alternative to avoid rush hour traffic jams."</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/09/self-centred-drivers-have-short-sighted-views/comment-page-1/#comment-2096</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how much rush-hour traffic is actually comprised of out-of-towners who want to pass through this city without stopping here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how much rush-hour traffic is actually comprised of out-of-towners who want to pass through this city without stopping here?</p>
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		<title>By: blork</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/09/self-centred-drivers-have-short-sighted-views/comment-page-1/#comment-2095</link>
		<dc:creator>blork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the other hand, it&#039;s a little bit crazy to make cross-country truck traffic drive right through the middle of a big city. I think we&#039;re the only large city on earth that doesn&#039;t have some kind of &quot;ring road&quot; that lets trucks and other passers-through skirt around the central core.

If they&#039;d just finish the damn highway 30 on the south shore the problem would be solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, it's a little bit crazy to make cross-country truck traffic drive right through the middle of a big city. I think we're the only large city on earth that doesn't have some kind of "ring road" that lets trucks and other passers-through skirt around the central core.</p>
<p>If they'd just finish the damn highway 30 on the south shore the problem would be solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Vachon</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/09/self-centred-drivers-have-short-sighted-views/comment-page-1/#comment-2092</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Vachon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw a sign displayed in a window of a building located on a heavy traffic artery in Quebec City.

&quot;You are not stuck in the traffic. You ARE the traffic&quot;.

Funny and true :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a sign displayed in a window of a building located on a heavy traffic artery in Quebec City.</p>
<p>"You are not stuck in the traffic. You ARE the traffic".</p>
<p>Funny and true :)</p>
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