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	<title>Comments on: Killing the plastic bag won&#8217;t be that easy</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Abraham</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/15/killing-plastic-bags/comment-page-1/#comment-2201</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Abraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to know something cooler than a plastic bag -- cool being a good as well as a bad thing? Well, the internal-cumbustion-engine!  Well, they&#039;re bloody brilliant and they&#039;re killing the planet, espcially in the US.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.energybill2007.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.energybill2007.org&lt;/a&gt;

So, after years of inaction, Congress finally has a chance to pass meaningful energy legislation. The bill they are about to pass includes the best fuel economy standards ever (35 mpg by 2020) and a renewable electricity standard (15% by 2020) that guarantees the growth of renewable, clean energy. But there is a chance these two key advances won’t make it through to the final bill.

I am working with a coalition to make sure Congress sends the president a strong energy bill with meaningful changes for our environment and planet. This legislation would be a monumental step toward stopping global warming. Go to http://www.energybill2007.org and sign the petition. This is our chance for real progress, don’t let Congress back down!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to know something cooler than a plastic bag -- cool being a good as well as a bad thing? Well, the internal-cumbustion-engine!  Well, they're bloody brilliant and they're killing the planet, espcially in the US.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.energybill2007.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybill2007.org</a></p>
<p>So, after years of inaction, Congress finally has a chance to pass meaningful energy legislation. The bill they are about to pass includes the best fuel economy standards ever (35 mpg by 2020) and a renewable electricity standard (15% by 2020) that guarantees the growth of renewable, clean energy. But there is a chance these two key advances won’t make it through to the final bill.</p>
<p>I am working with a coalition to make sure Congress sends the president a strong energy bill with meaningful changes for our environment and planet. This legislation would be a monumental step toward stopping global warming. Go to <a href="http://www.energybill2007.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.energybill2007.org</a> and sign the petition. This is our chance for real progress, don’t let Congress back down!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/15/killing-plastic-bags/comment-page-1/#comment-2188</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good blog, thoughtful post. 
No simplistic thinking here. Plastics are very cool and we use them all over. (How are you reading this?) 

The new recyclable bags fold up small, expand hugely and don&#039;t get too grubby looking (so far) and the 5¢ discount means they pay for themselves quickly. This is way better than the last round of mass consumer environmentalism.  
 
We&#039;ve halved our plastic bag use. It&#039;s a positive step, like Ed wrote, but until we have biodegradable bags, I&#039;m not for taxing or elimanating them. 

We use plastic bags for indoor garbage cans, kid lunches and cat litter. 
If we don&#039;t get plastic bags free, we have to buy them. The grocery stores will monetize a freebie, but that&#039;s no benefit to the environment, just a cash grab. Canadians have too much of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good blog, thoughtful post.<br />
No simplistic thinking here. Plastics are very cool and we use them all over. (How are you reading this?) </p>
<p>The new recyclable bags fold up small, expand hugely and don't get too grubby looking (so far) and the 5¢ discount means they pay for themselves quickly. This is way better than the last round of mass consumer environmentalism.  </p>
<p>We've halved our plastic bag use. It's a positive step, like Ed wrote, but until we have biodegradable bags, I'm not for taxing or elimanating them. </p>
<p>We use plastic bags for indoor garbage cans, kid lunches and cat litter.<br />
If we don't get plastic bags free, we have to buy them. The grocery stores will monetize a freebie, but that's no benefit to the environment, just a cash grab. Canadians have too much of that.</p>
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		<title>By: f. panic</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/15/killing-plastic-bags/comment-page-1/#comment-2186</link>
		<dc:creator>f. panic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is great at covering some of the issues around this controversy.  Like you, I don&#039;t own a car and often have to pick up a few things on my way home, and it does cause me a surprising amount of guilt when I have to get a plastic bag - but usually, I tote around a compact one, similar to the one blork describes.

I am surprised at your remark that plastic bags are &quot;not actually such a huge issue.&quot;  Similar to the link you provided about plastic bags in Nepal, etc... It was truly alarming when I travelled around southeast Asia 5 years ago to see the amount of plastic bag waste lying in the streets (and everywhere up and down the Mekong - people throw their garbage in a plastic bag and then throw that bag in the water.... not to mention the abandoned water bottles, because, naturally, no one wants to drink Cambodian tap water!).

When I lived in Edmonton/Calgary/Banff/Vancouver, I would always trek to the local grocery stores with my backpack - no hassles, no problem, often the cashiers would thank me.  It was a bit of a shock to learn how intolerant many grocery stores are here towards customers not wanting a plastic bag.  More than intolerant - incredibly rude, at times.  Yep, it does take a few extra minutes to pack my groceries into my backpack so my bread doesn&#039;t get squished, but trust me, I&#039;m fast.

I like what blork said:  it’s a step in the right direction, and is a small daily reminder to consume less in general.

Thanks for the thorough posting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is great at covering some of the issues around this controversy.  Like you, I don't own a car and often have to pick up a few things on my way home, and it does cause me a surprising amount of guilt when I have to get a plastic bag - but usually, I tote around a compact one, similar to the one blork describes.</p>
<p>I am surprised at your remark that plastic bags are "not actually such a huge issue."  Similar to the link you provided about plastic bags in Nepal, etc... It was truly alarming when I travelled around southeast Asia 5 years ago to see the amount of plastic bag waste lying in the streets (and everywhere up and down the Mekong - people throw their garbage in a plastic bag and then throw that bag in the water.... not to mention the abandoned water bottles, because, naturally, no one wants to drink Cambodian tap water!).</p>
<p>When I lived in Edmonton/Calgary/Banff/Vancouver, I would always trek to the local grocery stores with my backpack - no hassles, no problem, often the cashiers would thank me.  It was a bit of a shock to learn how intolerant many grocery stores are here towards customers not wanting a plastic bag.  More than intolerant - incredibly rude, at times.  Yep, it does take a few extra minutes to pack my groceries into my backpack so my bread doesn't get squished, but trust me, I'm fast.</p>
<p>I like what blork said:  it’s a step in the right direction, and is a small daily reminder to consume less in general.</p>
<p>Thanks for the thorough posting!</p>
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		<title>By: blork</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/10/15/killing-plastic-bags/comment-page-1/#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator>blork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the grocery bags, you&#039;re correct that using re-usable bags isn&#039;t convenient for everybody. Most re-usable bags are bulky and not the kind of things that you carry around on a daily basis.

But there are really tiny nylon bags that you can get buy that take up no space at all. For example, I have a black nylon bag that I bought in a store on St. Denis. When it&#039;s folded up and stuffed into its pouch it&#039;s about the size of two (soft) golf balls. Unfolded, it&#039;s about the size of a conventional disposable plastic grocery bag.

While most of my grocery buying is done on deliberate trips to the grocery store, in which I take my heavy-duty reusable bags, I always have that wee nylon bag in my shoulder bag, and I use it when I make unscheduled stops at the pharmacy or the depanneur, etc.

Such bags are a bit hard to find, but I&#039;m seeing them more and more. They&#039;re not a panacea, but they&#039;re a small step towards reducing (not eliminating -- that will never happen) the amount of disposable bags we use.

And on a larger, global note, even if we eliminated disposable plastic bags, that wouldn&#039;t solve all the problems. But when you look at the larger problem of over-consumption in general, it&#039;s a step in the right direction, and is a small daily reminder to consume less in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the grocery bags, you're correct that using re-usable bags isn't convenient for everybody. Most re-usable bags are bulky and not the kind of things that you carry around on a daily basis.</p>
<p>But there are really tiny nylon bags that you can get buy that take up no space at all. For example, I have a black nylon bag that I bought in a store on St. Denis. When it's folded up and stuffed into its pouch it's about the size of two (soft) golf balls. Unfolded, it's about the size of a conventional disposable plastic grocery bag.</p>
<p>While most of my grocery buying is done on deliberate trips to the grocery store, in which I take my heavy-duty reusable bags, I always have that wee nylon bag in my shoulder bag, and I use it when I make unscheduled stops at the pharmacy or the depanneur, etc.</p>
<p>Such bags are a bit hard to find, but I'm seeing them more and more. They're not a panacea, but they're a small step towards reducing (not eliminating -- that will never happen) the amount of disposable bags we use.</p>
<p>And on a larger, global note, even if we eliminated disposable plastic bags, that wouldn't solve all the problems. But when you look at the larger problem of over-consumption in general, it's a step in the right direction, and is a small daily reminder to consume less in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Hi!
As a Ville-Marie resident I can say that the clear plastic recycling bags really are a great idea. Our recycling as a household has gone way up - partitally because we no longer have to pre-sort our recycling; bottles, cans, cardboard and plastic all go into the same bag. We are no longer faced with the two compartment green/blue box and what goes where dilemma (or irritating notes from the city thanking us for our effort and inviting us to pre-sort our recycling).
 As for the homeless going through your recycling - we put our refundables in a seperate bag and GIVE them to the guys who come around looking to make a bit of change (and No, they do not rip open the bags looking for bottles and cans - they pick them up, look at them from all angles, undo the knot if there is something worthwhile and re-knot the bags when they&#039;re finished).
Animals do not go through our recycling either. Everything in the bags are prewashed.
I can&#039;t speak for the few exceptions who use their recycling bags as free trash bags - they are thankfully few and far between and they deserve all the mess they get.
Lastly, the neighbourhood, since the bagged recycling experiment has gone from one of the dirtiest to one of the cleanest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Hi!<br />
As a Ville-Marie resident I can say that the clear plastic recycling bags really are a great idea. Our recycling as a household has gone way up - partitally because we no longer have to pre-sort our recycling; bottles, cans, cardboard and plastic all go into the same bag. We are no longer faced with the two compartment green/blue box and what goes where dilemma (or irritating notes from the city thanking us for our effort and inviting us to pre-sort our recycling).<br />
 As for the homeless going through your recycling - we put our refundables in a seperate bag and GIVE them to the guys who come around looking to make a bit of change (and No, they do not rip open the bags looking for bottles and cans - they pick them up, look at them from all angles, undo the knot if there is something worthwhile and re-knot the bags when they're finished).<br />
Animals do not go through our recycling either. Everything in the bags are prewashed.<br />
I can't speak for the few exceptions who use their recycling bags as free trash bags - they are thankfully few and far between and they deserve all the mess they get.<br />
Lastly, the neighbourhood, since the bagged recycling experiment has gone from one of the dirtiest to one of the cleanest.</p>
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