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	<title>Comments on: Own a photocopier, get sued</title>
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	<description>Can you think of a better name?</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Bailey</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/11/16/own-a-photocopier-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-2802</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, a few minor points. 

First, the DMCA did not say that &quot;manufacturing the “tools” to infringe copyright was also against the law&quot;. What it did say was that the creation of tools used to circumvent access or copy controls was a violation of the law. That is a surprisingly huge difference. 

Under the DMCA, a photocopier is not illegal. Neither is a program that simply lets you copy files so long as it doesn&#039;t circumvent a protection scheme. I&#039;m no fan of these regulations but they are not nearly as broad as you seem to imply. If this were a U.S. case, the DMCA would not apply here at all.

Second, also in the DMCA, hosts in the U.S. have similar protection to those in Canada. The only large difference is that, in the U.S. hosts have to remove works once they receive proper notice of infringement. Canada is currently working on similar legislation and the EU has already passed a much more strict version of the law (one that removes all formalities from notification).

In short, Canada is somewhat different, but perhaps not as great as many feel. Especially if current legislation passes. 

Overall though, I don&#039;t see this lawsuit going anywhere. It wouldn&#039;t here in the U.S. as there is already very established legal precedent there and I think this is a desperation ploy myself. 

It&#039;ll be the butt of jokes and then, most likely, disappear into the ether of a legal beatdown. Like most of these cases.

But yes, personal responsibility is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, a few minor points. </p>
<p>First, the DMCA did not say that "manufacturing the “tools” to infringe copyright was also against the law". What it did say was that the creation of tools used to circumvent access or copy controls was a violation of the law. That is a surprisingly huge difference. </p>
<p>Under the DMCA, a photocopier is not illegal. Neither is a program that simply lets you copy files so long as it doesn't circumvent a protection scheme. I'm no fan of these regulations but they are not nearly as broad as you seem to imply. If this were a U.S. case, the DMCA would not apply here at all.</p>
<p>Second, also in the DMCA, hosts in the U.S. have similar protection to those in Canada. The only large difference is that, in the U.S. hosts have to remove works once they receive proper notice of infringement. Canada is currently working on similar legislation and the EU has already passed a much more strict version of the law (one that removes all formalities from notification).</p>
<p>In short, Canada is somewhat different, but perhaps not as great as many feel. Especially if current legislation passes. </p>
<p>Overall though, I don't see this lawsuit going anywhere. It wouldn't here in the U.S. as there is already very established legal precedent there and I think this is a desperation ploy myself. </p>
<p>It'll be the butt of jokes and then, most likely, disappear into the ether of a legal beatdown. Like most of these cases.</p>
<p>But yes, personal responsibility is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: mare</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2007/11/16/own-a-photocopier-get-sued/comment-page-1/#comment-2797</link>
		<dc:creator>mare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charging owners of copiers is not something they invented, it already exist in Europe. In the Netherlands, and possible other countries as well, a publishing industry group (comparable to the CIAA) collect money from all businesses that own copiers (that&#039;s probably every one of them) because those machines are or can be used for copyright infringement. It&#039;s comparable to the fact that in some countries, and Canada is one of them, empty CD-Roms and iPods are levied to alleviate the losses by the record industry. Of course the record industry has much better lobbyists, but maybe the publishing business has now found a way to get their &quot;lost&quot; money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charging owners of copiers is not something they invented, it already exist in Europe. In the Netherlands, and possible other countries as well, a publishing industry group (comparable to the CIAA) collect money from all businesses that own copiers (that's probably every one of them) because those machines are or can be used for copyright infringement. It's comparable to the fact that in some countries, and Canada is one of them, empty CD-Roms and iPods are levied to alleviate the losses by the record industry. Of course the record industry has much better lobbyists, but maybe the publishing business has now found a way to get their "lost" money.</p>
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