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		<title>By: Tamara</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-47152</link>
		<dc:creator>Tamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you wonder why new commers chose to learn English? &quot;maybe because they can go any where in the world with English&quot;

By the way i&#039; an Anglo who want to dominate French the way i do English which happens to be my second language.. and i think i&#039;m doing great!! i can speak to my husbang grand mother who do not speak or understand a word in English and has never been outside of wonderful quebec... i on the other hand enjoy when i am in an english enviorment with my hubby and can say what i want without anyone understandig.... bottom line i love both language and continue to learn French...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you wonder why new commers chose to learn English? "maybe because they can go any where in the world with English"</p>
<p>By the way i' an Anglo who want to dominate French the way i do English which happens to be my second language.. and i think i'm doing great!! i can speak to my husbang grand mother who do not speak or understand a word in English and has never been outside of wonderful quebec... i on the other hand enjoy when i am in an english enviorment with my hubby and can say what i want without anyone understandig.... bottom line i love both language and continue to learn French...</p>
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		<title>By: In Montreal Liberals Try to Speak French and the Bloc won&#8217;t speak English &#171; AngryFrenchGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>In Montreal Liberals Try to Speak French and the Bloc won&#8217;t speak English &#171; AngryFrenchGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nearby Westmount-Ville-Marie, the riding that includes all of Downtown and Old Montreal and where the party is fielding one of it&#8217;s rare Francophone rookie stars, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nearby Westmount-Ville-Marie, the riding that includes all of Downtown and Old Montreal and where the party is fielding one of it&#8217;s rare Francophone rookie stars, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein &#187; Montreal wins Montreal-bagel war</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-22492</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein &#187; Montreal wins Montreal-bagel war</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 07:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gazette, you&#8217;ll recall, had taken the Journal to task for its &#8220;exposé&#8221; on businesses that dare to hire anglophones, calling it bad [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gazette, you&#8217;ll recall, had taken the Journal to task for its &#8220;exposé&#8221; on businesses that dare to hire anglophones, calling it bad [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein &#187; Journal discovers fast food is greasy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein &#187; Journal discovers fast food is greasy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Journal de Montréal loves to manufacture controversy to sell papers. It&#8217;s what they do best. Sometimes it works, and leads to government action political [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fagstein &#187; Anglos really do speak French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein &#187; Anglos really do speak French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is to contrast the Journal&#8217;s assertion that it&#8217;s hard to be served in French in Montreal, something The Gazette had previously [...]</description>
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		<title>By: QcCdn</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15840</link>
		<dc:creator>QcCdn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was using a tad of hyperbole, but it is also true that I’ve heard this several times personally from unilingual anglos, and have heard numerous francophones report these types of reactions when they’ve confronted staff who can’t speak French.

Don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that one of the main justifications (if not the main one) for not/never speaking French in Quebec is “well, we’re in Canada after all”. 

And many newcomers to this country in particular obviously feel they have done their part to integrate to their new home by learning English (only), despite the fact they have chosen to settle in Quebec.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was using a tad of hyperbole, but it is also true that I’ve heard this several times personally from unilingual anglos, and have heard numerous francophones report these types of reactions when they’ve confronted staff who can’t speak French.</p>
<p>Don’t think it’s much of a stretch to say that one of the main justifications (if not the main one) for not/never speaking French in Quebec is “well, we’re in Canada after all”. </p>
<p>And many newcomers to this country in particular obviously feel they have done their part to integrate to their new home by learning English (only), despite the fact they have chosen to settle in Quebec.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher DeWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher DeWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 03:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve encountered anglophones in the service sector who can barely speak French, though I&#039;ve never met anyone who has justified this by pointing out the fact that they are Canadian. I sounds to me like you&#039;re making unfounded generalizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've encountered anglophones in the service sector who can barely speak French, though I've never met anyone who has justified this by pointing out the fact that they are Canadian. I sounds to me like you're making unfounded generalizations.</p>
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		<title>By: QcCdn</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15520</link>
		<dc:creator>QcCdn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not exactly sure of their exact location but recent experience suggests they are increasingly populating service sector jobs in shops and boutiques in various regions of Quebec.

I refer to them as “patriotic Canadians” because their Canadian-ness is usually what they hide behind when people rag on them from not even knowing the basics of French. Sorta counter-productive, if you ask me, but the irony of what they’re doing is completely lost on them I guess…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly sure of their exact location but recent experience suggests they are increasingly populating service sector jobs in shops and boutiques in various regions of Quebec.</p>
<p>I refer to them as “patriotic Canadians” because their Canadian-ness is usually what they hide behind when people rag on them from not even knowing the basics of French. Sorta counter-productive, if you ask me, but the irony of what they’re doing is completely lost on them I guess…</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher DeWolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher DeWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you ranting against, exactly? Where are these &quot;patriotic Canadians&quot; that can&#039;t master the basics of French?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you ranting against, exactly? Where are these "patriotic Canadians" that can't master the basics of French?</p>
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		<title>By: CdnQc</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-15416</link>
		<dc:creator>CdnQc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, my friends, the countdown is on for the third Quebec independence referendum. The recent rumblings over language are the first storm clouds to begin slowly gathering in anticipation of the next near-death experience for Canada.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m no more pleased about this than the rest of you about this scenario, but I can’t say that I haven’t been expecting it. Having moved to Quebec some years ago, I’ve actually had a front-row seat for the show put on by our patriotic Canadians living in Quebec who like no better than to antagonize our French-speaking compatriots by never lowering themselves to utter so much as a bonjour or a merci.

Now, these guys were pretty low-key after Oct. 30, 1995. Now, that was a heckuva close call and the teary-eyed Canadian patriots were in shock. Actually, it took them a while to get their collective heart-rate back to normal. Maybe, just maybe, the Frenchies weren’t bluffing after all.

But now, 1995 is a dozen years behind us, so why bother with French?

And although anybody with half a brain who’s ever travelled to a foreign country knows it only takes a few days to master the basics of another language (please, thank you, yes, no, how much is it?, basic numbers), no one over said that this had to apply to our patriotic Canadians working in shops on Rue Ste-Catherine (that’s St. Catherine Street, in case you didn’t understand.) 

So from the people in your province who actually do love Canada, thanks a lot les amis. We hope you enjoy your new life in Brampton or Calgary a few years down the road when you inevitably leave us all behind, complaining that the French thing in Montreal was just sooooooo unbearable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, my friends, the countdown is on for the third Quebec independence referendum. The recent rumblings over language are the first storm clouds to begin slowly gathering in anticipation of the next near-death experience for Canada.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong. I’m no more pleased about this than the rest of you about this scenario, but I can’t say that I haven’t been expecting it. Having moved to Quebec some years ago, I’ve actually had a front-row seat for the show put on by our patriotic Canadians living in Quebec who like no better than to antagonize our French-speaking compatriots by never lowering themselves to utter so much as a bonjour or a merci.</p>
<p>Now, these guys were pretty low-key after Oct. 30, 1995. Now, that was a heckuva close call and the teary-eyed Canadian patriots were in shock. Actually, it took them a while to get their collective heart-rate back to normal. Maybe, just maybe, the Frenchies weren’t bluffing after all.</p>
<p>But now, 1995 is a dozen years behind us, so why bother with French?</p>
<p>And although anybody with half a brain who’s ever travelled to a foreign country knows it only takes a few days to master the basics of another language (please, thank you, yes, no, how much is it?, basic numbers), no one over said that this had to apply to our patriotic Canadians working in shops on Rue Ste-Catherine (that’s St. Catherine Street, in case you didn’t understand.) </p>
<p>So from the people in your province who actually do love Canada, thanks a lot les amis. We hope you enjoy your new life in Brampton or Calgary a few years down the road when you inevitably leave us all behind, complaining that the French thing in Montreal was just sooooooo unbearable.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all have missed the point.

What is being suggested here is that an English speaking resident of Montreal, who hasn&#039;t drunk the Kool-Aid of language fascism in Quebec, should be prohibited from working. There are still many Quebec born individuals who only speak English: Why should they be condemned to poverty? This is again another example wherein French Quebec four legs are good, but walking upright on two legs is bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all have missed the point.</p>
<p>What is being suggested here is that an English speaking resident of Montreal, who hasn't drunk the Kool-Aid of language fascism in Quebec, should be prohibited from working. There are still many Quebec born individuals who only speak English: Why should they be condemned to poverty? This is again another example wherein French Quebec four legs are good, but walking upright on two legs is bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mario, apologies. By attributing the last 4 words of your first post to you took on a whole different meaning; misguided it was on my part. Indeed you&#039;re right in that &quot;he doesn&#039;t get it&quot; and we&#039;d all be hard pressed to follow the thinking of politicians when their thinking is oft malleable by self-interest strategizing.
Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mario, apologies. By attributing the last 4 words of your first post to you took on a whole different meaning; misguided it was on my part. Indeed you're right in that "he doesn't get it" and we'd all be hard pressed to follow the thinking of politicians when their thinking is oft malleable by self-interest strategizing.<br />
Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Asselin</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-14666</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario Asselin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 04:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you mean Frank, but the fact is that it&#039;s not my statement... Look at the article... it&#039;s his own words...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you mean Frank, but the fact is that it's not my statement... Look at the article... it's his own words...</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mario
Not sure i get your statement: is Boisvert incapable of understanding and rip his shirt open ala SSJB/PQ/MMF because he chose, as did the Gazette, to focus on the rationally important 82 stores that did not hire the mole?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mario<br />
Not sure i get your statement: is Boisvert incapable of understanding and rip his shirt open ala SSJB/PQ/MMF because he chose, as did the Gazette, to focus on the rationally important 82 stores that did not hire the mole?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher DeWolf</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/16/journal-does-it-again/comment-page-1/#comment-14570</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher DeWolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 19:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad to read Boisvert&#039;s column. Honestly, I don&#039;t think it ever matters what the Gazette has to say about language; preaching to the converted, etc.

Last year, La Presse did a similar investigation where they send reporters into a bunch of downtown businesses, pretended to be speak only French and noted whether or not people were able to serve them. In all but a couple of cases, clerks and store owners were able to serve them in French. 

That, to me, seems like a far less sensational way to approach the same issue. But it didn&#039;t raise nearly as much of a fuss. 

What really irks me most about the Journal&#039;s &quot;investigation&quot; is that it is wholly manufactured. There&#039;s no actual evidence presented that would suggest that a significant number of unilingual anglophones are being hired to deal with the public. It&#039;s also completely unrealistic: how many unilingual anglophones can&#039;t even say more than &quot;Bonjour,&quot; which was the whole premise of this reporter&#039;s charade? Even anglos who can&#039;t carry a conversation in French can recite numbers, basic greetings, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm glad to read Boisvert's column. Honestly, I don't think it ever matters what the Gazette has to say about language; preaching to the converted, etc.</p>
<p>Last year, La Presse did a similar investigation where they send reporters into a bunch of downtown businesses, pretended to be speak only French and noted whether or not people were able to serve them. In all but a couple of cases, clerks and store owners were able to serve them in French. </p>
<p>That, to me, seems like a far less sensational way to approach the same issue. But it didn't raise nearly as much of a fuss. </p>
<p>What really irks me most about the Journal's "investigation" is that it is wholly manufactured. There's no actual evidence presented that would suggest that a significant number of unilingual anglophones are being hired to deal with the public. It's also completely unrealistic: how many unilingual anglophones can't even say more than "Bonjour," which was the whole premise of this reporter's charade? Even anglos who can't carry a conversation in French can recite numbers, basic greetings, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 17:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>La Presse&#039;s Yves Boisvert sums it up nicely:
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080116/CPOPINIONS05/80115296/6730/CPACTUALITES
The separatists must always stoke the dying flame and using the &quot;15%&quot; suits them fine.
Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>La Presse's Yves Boisvert sums it up nicely:<br />
<a href="http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080116/CPOPINIONS05/80115296/6730/CPACTUALITES" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080116/CPOPINIONS05/80115296/6730/CPACTUALITES</a><br />
The separatists must always stoke the dying flame and using the "15%" suits them fine.<br />
Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Asselin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Asselin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yves Boisvert from La Presse is going in the same track than The Gazette this morning... He can&#039;t get it!
http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080116/CPOPINIONS05/80115296/6730/CPACTUALITES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yves Boisvert from La Presse is going in the same track than The Gazette this morning... He can't get it!<br />
<a href="http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080116/CPOPINIONS05/80115296/6730/CPACTUALITES" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080116/CPOPINIONS05/80115296/6730/CPACTUALITES</a></p>
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