Comments on: The boring bagel brouhaha http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/ Can you think of a better name? Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:23:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Josh http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15704 Josh Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:47:12 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15704 I was pretty much going to say what Chris said. In fact, a friend of mine just finished an internship under the "Toronto Editor" at the Globe, and from what I hear, they see themselves as a direct competitor in the local paper game there, with the Sun and the Star. I was pretty much going to say what Chris said. In fact, a friend of mine just finished an internship under the “Toronto Editor” at the Globe, and from what I hear, they see themselves as a direct competitor in the local paper game there, with the Sun and the Star.

]]> By: Christopher DeWolf http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15591 Christopher DeWolf Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:14:18 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15591 Oops. By "Toronto edition" I meant Toronto section. http://images.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20080119/sectionM-490.jpg Oops. By “Toronto edition” I meant Toronto section.

http://images.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20080119/sectionM-490.jpg

]]> By: Christopher DeWolf http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15590 Christopher DeWolf Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:11:06 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15590 Actually, the Globe does have a Toronto edition, and many of its weekend features are extremely Toronto-centric (columns, concert reviews, etc.) That said, it does have a special BC section in its Vancouver edition, which is part of an attempt to make the paper more local and compete for a slice of the English-language Lower Mainland market (both of Vancouver's other English papers are owned by CanWest). I'd personally like to see the Globe develop a similar Quebec/Montreal section for its Montreal edition. The Gazette could certainly use the competition. Actually, the Globe does have a Toronto edition, and many of its weekend features are extremely Toronto-centric (columns, concert reviews, etc.) That said, it does have a special BC section in its Vancouver edition, which is part of an attempt to make the paper more local and compete for a slice of the English-language Lower Mainland market (both of Vancouver’s other English papers are owned by CanWest).

I’d personally like to see the Globe develop a similar Quebec/Montreal section for its Montreal edition. The Gazette could certainly use the competition.

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15578 Fagstein Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:44:16 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15578 It's not that I'm taking sides on the Globe/Post debate. But when you have a section of the paper called "<a href="http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Toronto</a>" you've pretty much given up, haven't you? The problem with the Post is that it's CanWest's only major newspaper in Toronto. So they cover anything big that happens in Canada's largest city. They cover the Leafs, Ontario politics, business etc. And because there's no local paper to put these stories in, the Post adds sections specifically about Toronto for its Toronto readers. In many ways, that makes the Post a de facto Toronto paper, much as they'd like to be more than that. The Globe doesn't have this problem, so they can at least appear to be less Toronto-centric. But the hometown bias is still prevalent there. It’s not that I’m taking sides on the Globe/Post debate. But when you have a section of the paper called “Toronto” you’ve pretty much given up, haven’t you?

The problem with the Post is that it’s CanWest’s only major newspaper in Toronto. So they cover anything big that happens in Canada’s largest city. They cover the Leafs, Ontario politics, business etc. And because there’s no local paper to put these stories in, the Post adds sections specifically about Toronto for its Toronto readers. In many ways, that makes the Post a de facto Toronto paper, much as they’d like to be more than that.

The Globe doesn’t have this problem, so they can at least appear to be less Toronto-centric. But the hometown bias is still prevalent there.

]]> By: Josh http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15570 Josh Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:36:13 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15570 I rather like the reference to the "Toronto National Post", by the way. I've been complaining for a while now about how the Canwest papers frequently refer to the "Toronto Globe and Mail", but the Post is just the "National Post", even though the two papers serve pretty much the same purpose. Hopefully you start a trend. I rather like the reference to the “Toronto National Post”, by the way. I’ve been complaining for a while now about how the Canwest papers frequently refer to the “Toronto Globe and Mail”, but the Post is just the “National Post”, even though the two papers serve pretty much the same purpose.

Hopefully you start a trend.

]]> By: Tim http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15557 Tim Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:57:21 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15557 Sounds like someone just called for a bilingual love-in at midnight Friday at St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine! <i>Qu'en dites-vous, mes confrères bilingues?</i> Is this how a flash mob starts? Sounds like someone just called for a bilingual love-in at midnight Friday at St-Laurent and Ste-Catherine! Qu’en dites-vous, mes confrères bilingues?

Is this how a flash mob starts?

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15430 DAVE ID Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:49:04 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15430 <b>rude, domineering, unilingual Westmount bankers, that’s problem #1</b> That's funny. I think the French and English should just go have a big party and get really drunk, and forget about all this perception crap and Longeuil will be going "What the F just happened?" rude, domineering, unilingual Westmount bankers, that’s problem #1

That’s funny.

I think the French and English should just go have a big party and get really drunk, and forget about all this perception crap and Longeuil will be going “What the F just happened?”

]]> By: Tim http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15426 Tim Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:38:35 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15426 Slow news day, I guess... As unnewsworthy as this is, at least it's innocuous. I prefer this to the irresponsible journalism that <i>The Gazette</i> and <i>Journal</i> (not to mention their respective media empires) are capable of. @Ian: Lack of culture is the least of us Anglos' image problem. The perception that we're a lot of rude, domineering, unilingual Westmount bankers, that's problem #1. / <i>L'inculture est le moindre des problèmes de perception de nous anglophones. Qu'on soit perçu une comme une gang de banquiers de Westmount, unilingues, snobs et dominateurs, c'est le problème n° 1.</i> Slow news day, I guess…

As unnewsworthy as this is, at least it’s innocuous. I prefer this to the irresponsible journalism that The Gazette and Journal (not to mention their respective media empires) are capable of.

@Ian: Lack of culture is the least of us Anglos’ image problem. The perception that we’re a lot of rude, domineering, unilingual Westmount bankers, that’s problem #1. / L’inculture est le moindre des problèmes de perception de nous anglophones. Qu’on soit perçu une comme une gang de banquiers de Westmount, unilingues, snobs et dominateurs, c’est le problème n° 1.

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15418 DAVE ID Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:12:25 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15418 Anglos are perceived as uncultured? Not by this frog. Anglos are perceived as uncultured? Not by this frog.

]]> By: lefty http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15405 lefty Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:44:14 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15405 thinking the same thing when i skimmed the title of that article and moved on... maybe we should turn the tables for next year's slow news cycle with: Montreal Sushi Shop vs Tokyo's Ginza Kyubey sushi house? @Ian speaking of the gazette and being uncultured, perhaps they need a more multicultural staff of columnists? :P check it out: http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/columnists/index.html thinking the same thing when i skimmed the title of that article and moved on… maybe we should turn the tables for next year’s slow news cycle with: Montreal Sushi Shop vs Tokyo’s Ginza Kyubey sushi house?

@Ian
speaking of the gazette and being uncultured, perhaps they need a more multicultural staff of columnists? :P

check it out: http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/columnists/index.html

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15378 DAVE ID Mon, 21 Jan 2008 17:09:43 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15378 I'm sure you meant to write: Why do we need to repeat this experiment with a another lesser city? ;) This is the Kobayashi Maru of bagel fights. We beat TO, we beat NY, there's nothing left. Montreal Bagels are unwhackable, end of story. Why do people even bother. I remember some 10 years ago some deli in Calgary opened with Montreal Style Smoked Meat sandwiches. With MAYO in it. Oh Hello. It's Mayo in the BURGERS, not the Smoked meat. Gees. I’m sure you meant to write:

Why do we need to repeat this experiment with a another lesser city? ;)

This is the Kobayashi Maru of bagel fights. We beat TO, we beat NY, there’s nothing left. Montreal Bagels are unwhackable, end of story. Why do people even bother. I remember some 10 years ago some deli in Calgary opened with Montreal Style Smoked Meat sandwiches. With MAYO in it. Oh Hello. It’s Mayo in the BURGERS, not the Smoked meat. Gees.

]]> By: Ian http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15371 Ian Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:21:33 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/01/21/the-boring-bagel-brouhaha/#comment-15371 This typefies the kind of pointlessness that made me leave Hamilton for Montreal in the first place. That the Gazette has agreed to play along shows how lame they are, too. It's embarrassing that the only English language newspaper in Montreal is party to such patent stupidity - no wonder Anglos are still struggling against the stereotype of being uncultured buffoons. This typefies the kind of pointlessness that made me leave Hamilton for Montreal in the first place.
That the Gazette has agreed to play along shows how lame they are, too. It’s embarrassing that the only English language newspaper in Montreal is party to such patent stupidity - no wonder Anglos are still struggling against the stereotype of being uncultured buffoons.

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