Comments on: There be doors here

By: Contrôle de foule « La marge de gauche

Contrôle de foule « La marge de gauche — Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:07:05 +0000

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By: Marc

Marc — Tue, 16 Dec 2008 03:04:25 +0000

When I grew up in Montreal and took the metro every day, this was never a problem. People just knew to stand clear of the doors and wait till those exiting were clear.

This was 25 years ago however :-(

By: karine

karine — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:13:39 +0000

I've seen the ones in Lionel-Groulx, I thought it was a variation of the strip that runs along the edge of the platform at Sherbrooke (and recently added at LaSalle) to help the blind know where the metro doors are. And today we were kicked out of the metro at Berri (heading to Verdun) and I didn't notice the stickers on the floors. Probably why a dude grumbled when I walked in to snag a seat...

By: anonymous coward

anonymous coward — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:07:03 +0000

This reminds me of a New York subway moment I had back in 2000, trying to get off at some station, I politely tap the shoulder of the man in front of me and whimper "excuse me", implying that I need to get out. He half turns at me, highly annoyed, in a heavy Puerto Rican New York accent says, "people tryin to get on da train wazz wrong witch you daaaaaaaymn ?!?!?" Being nonconfrontational (especially in New York) I waited till he let everyone in, and got out after him (almost didnt make it). Ok so it's New York, but it does raise an interesting dilemma, who really has the right of way ? Allowing people to get off first implies that the driver is willing to wait for everyone waiting to get on, which I don't think is always the case, not in Montreal anyway. It would make more sense to have designated entry/exit doors like on busses...of course I'ld rather they concentrate on resolving the whole-train-line-must-stop-everytime-a-couple-of-drops-of-condensation-lands-on-the-rail issue first.

By: Marc

Marc — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:51:29 +0000

Denis: On some of the MR-73 (Orange, Blue & Yellow lines) trains there is an experimental chime that sounds while the doors close. Absolutely pointless. The one implemented by the TTC a few years ago is well done. Look up a YouTube video if you want to see & hear it. It would also tell people to stop the 100m dash to the train. The voice is news to me.

By: Denis

Denis — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:50:48 +0000

@Marc: What chime? I've only heard the annoying buzz when trains depart from the beginning of a track. There's also a voice once in a while that says the doors will close. We need a loud stressful and annoying buzzer playing 2 to 3 tones to warn people that are running that it's hopeless to keep running anymore... I think the stickers are great. People are well organized when waiting for a bus. There is no crowding. It's so weird that we behave differently while using the subway... This type of design is used in other countries and where I've seen it, it worked very well. We should be smart enough to adapt to it... Next thing we need are trains with seats that can be folded during rush hour to let more people in + more doors. I've seen those in japan and I hope the STM went there and took notes. Considering the new card system they put in place, I guess they haven't... Oh well..

By: Fagstein

Fagstein — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 04:04:52 +0000

The stickers are flat. I suppose you could detect a slight texture difference, but the STM doesn't mention that as one of the reasons behind it.

By: apestate

apestate — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:56:02 +0000

it has the potential to provide an indication of the door position to people with visual impairment, if there's enough of a texture difference between regular floor + sticker... but I seem to recall being told that at least one of the MAB's strategies (when teaching ppl how to get around the metro) involves standing under the lights, because apparently that's where the doors line up.
Not everything is always totally without reason, Fagstein.
ya know!

By: Chogokin

Chogokin — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:07:23 +0000

And it only took them 41 years to think of this one.

By: Jill

Jill — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 01:50:32 +0000

I was at Berri on the weekend, and people were waiting for the train right in the middle of the stickers, like it was an invitation to block the doors.

By: Marc

Marc — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:57:51 +0000

The STM also needs to being in a proper door chime, like the TTC subway has. The current one is weak and gives 0.04 seconds of warning before the doors close.

By: Jack Ruttan

Jack Ruttan — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 00:36:13 +0000

Mind the Gap! Mind the Gap! Mind the Gap!
(London Underground robot voice mantra when I was there in the 1980s)

By: BruB

BruB — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:57:18 +0000

""First of all, it’s patronizing and condescending. Like those instructions in washrooms that tell you how to wash your hands, do we really need to be told how to stand in front of a train?"" I agree with you that it's patronizing, but yes you have to tell people these things. You know that you have to let people out, but look around you next morning, not everyone knows it or really not everyone cares like us, normal people, do. It's obvious you have to put your blinker on when you change lane on the highway, yet.... it's logical that you use the garbage can in the metro, but still.... it make sense you shouldn't drink and drive but they still they pay millions of dollar to make sure people don't. It's sad but a few makes everyone looks bad. ALL taxi drivers don't know how to drive....ALL young people are scums. Well it's the same here, a few stupid people will make us pay more for our tickets because ther're to dumb to figure out the fact that we are paying probably hundred of thounsands to have sticker made telling them the procedures. After all, there is a sticker in the door telling you not to open them while the metro is rolling!

By: MAB

MAB — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:51:21 +0000

The symbols on the Angrignon platform are exactly the same as those at Gare St-Lazare on the Ligne 3 platform. I recall noticing that they didn't seem to work at all in Paris and I'd be surprised to see that they were effective here.