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		<title>By: Glenn Graham</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-289676</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 06:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The French first sign is used quite often outside Quebec, especially in predominantly English speaking Ontario.  I live in the West end of Ottawa, formerly the city of Nepean which was annexed by Ottawa 10 years ago.  Back then very little French was ever heard being used here.  Now it can be heard being used here every day.  I wouldn&#039;t have a problem with this if English was still being used just as much in Quebec as it was before 1974 with services and names of all services there from every level of government were in both languages as well as having both languages equally present on road signs as they are in many parts of Ontario.  Ontario will be fully bilingual one day.  Quebec should have the same goal.  If the French language is too fragile for reciprocity, the it should be dropped.  If the British were conquered by the French and  the English language wasn&#039;t viable, they would learn to live in French.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The French first sign is used quite often outside Quebec, especially in predominantly English speaking Ontario.  I live in the West end of Ottawa, formerly the city of Nepean which was annexed by Ottawa 10 years ago.  Back then very little French was ever heard being used here.  Now it can be heard being used here every day.  I wouldn't have a problem with this if English was still being used just as much in Quebec as it was before 1974 with services and names of all services there from every level of government were in both languages as well as having both languages equally present on road signs as they are in many parts of Ontario.  Ontario will be fully bilingual one day.  Quebec should have the same goal.  If the French language is too fragile for reciprocity, the it should be dropped.  If the British were conquered by the French and  the English language wasn't viable, they would learn to live in French.</p>
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		<title>By: More commercing en français &#8211; Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-127566</link>
		<dc:creator>More commercing en français &#8211; Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that &quot;Ici on commerce en français&quot; campaign from the Office québecois de la langue française, that thought it could get businesses across the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ici, on résiste au français &#124; NEUMONTRÉAL</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-107432</link>
		<dc:creator>Ici, on résiste au français &#124; NEUMONTRÉAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Link les critiquait de l’angle hyper-individualiste (comme si tout énoncé linguistique était sujet au libre choix, même la décision de parler en anglais?–?ah oui). Et Fagstein suit dans le même sens. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Link les critiquait de l’angle hyper-individualiste (comme si tout énoncé linguistique était sujet au libre choix, même la décision de parler en anglais?–?ah oui). Et Fagstein suit dans le même sens. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there should be more french in anglo schools in Quebec. But you know what, you can learn by yourself. You&#039;re an adult, you&#039;re intelligent, and obviously you understand you live in a mostly francophone community, so why not make the effort to LEARN! Goddam, stop reminiscning your past like its a greek tragedy. 

http://www.fep.umontreal.ca/langues/

and by the way: &quot;I’m tired of it! you don’t hear me slagging off a francophone for his lazy, blatant bastardization of one of the romance languages.&quot;

thanks for worrying so much about the quality of the french francophones speak in Quebec. Try to focus a bit more on yours, and everything will be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there should be more french in anglo schools in Quebec. But you know what, you can learn by yourself. You're an adult, you're intelligent, and obviously you understand you live in a mostly francophone community, so why not make the effort to LEARN! Goddam, stop reminiscning your past like its a greek tragedy. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fep.umontreal.ca/langues/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fep.umontreal.ca/langues/</a></p>
<p>and by the way: "I’m tired of it! you don’t hear me slagging off a francophone for his lazy, blatant bastardization of one of the romance languages."</p>
<p>thanks for worrying so much about the quality of the french francophones speak in Quebec. Try to focus a bit more on yours, and everything will be fine.</p>
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		<title>By: mikayla cartwright</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikayla cartwright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i see a sign as such, hear anything about the OQLF, or am made to feel predjudice because i am an anglophone living in montreal, i feel more threatened than anything. to see a sign that says &#039;ici on commerce en francais&#039;, i feel as though they are driving home the point that are less welcome if you choose to say hello in english. isn&#039;t it already painfully obvious that french is the primary, &#039;preferred&#039; language in a &#039;bilingual&#039; city? i don&#039;t have enough appendages to count the times i&#039;ve been discriminated against- not for SPEAKING english &#039;out of turn&#039;, but simply by virtue of being a bonafide anglophone from the western tip of the island. i&#039;m tired of it! you don&#039;t hear me slagging off a francophone for his lazy, blatant bastardization of one of the romance languages, you don&#039;t see me disrespecting someone because they come from some little farm town where it&#039;s okay to throw racist remarks around and speak incoherently. i worked once at a St Jean Baptiste day concert at Parc Jean Drapeau, where of course, the grounds were overrun with people from outside the city, ready to commence drinking at 1pm and deface public property and relieve themselves whereever they chose to do so. okay, fine, we&#039;re all guilty of over-doing the celebration now and then. what got me, being a 16 year old anglophone from a NON PRIVATE ENGLISH HIGH SCHOOL IN THE WEST ISLAND, WHERE 50MINS OF CONJUGATING FRENCH VERBS EVERYDAY IS APPARENTLY SUFFICIENT FOR LIFE IN A &#039;BILINGUAL&#039; METROPOLIS, freshly dropped into the costumer service realm of fulltime work, is how when my friends and i walked around, picking up trash thrown on the ground by rabble-rousers, our meagre english conversation seemed to UPSET the francophones. so much so they felt it necessary to remind us which province we were in. thanks, for the geography lesson. thank you for making me feel uncomfortable because i speak a certain language. thank you for harrassing me, swearing at me, and throwing your beer cup on the ground right in front of my feet. better, was in between performances by francophone bands, some idiot would get up on the stage and scream statistics into the microphone: which percentage of which région administrative throughout québec wanted to seperate from canada. these percentages were followed by almost maniacal cheering and screaming. i began to get dizzy- the flags of les patriotes swirling around me, angry drunken rednecks ready to lynch me for saying &#039;happy st jean baptiste&#039;, the taunting... these situations should never occur. i have been jaded since. jaded since, violating my human rights, an authority figure refuses to even make an attempt to speak to me in my native language, where i have no choice but to learn for myself, since the education system continues to fail. if this goddamned OQLF (makes me think of the FLQ, huh. funny.) has an issue with the english language. FIX THE SYSTEM. teach us. i still struggle with the french language, but i have no issues with learning. and i CERTAINLY do not appreciate being segregated by people old enough to know better because i don&#039;t make the french language sound as gutteral as they do. i don&#039;t appreciate being refused service because i make the effort to describe what i need in french and fail to do so as well as they might. i can no longer put up with this... racism? i have french friends, always have. we understand eachother, converse in seperate languages and get along all the same, as well as we might if we were both speaking the same language. someone put an end to this insanity. LEARN,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i see a sign as such, hear anything about the OQLF, or am made to feel predjudice because i am an anglophone living in montreal, i feel more threatened than anything. to see a sign that says 'ici on commerce en francais', i feel as though they are driving home the point that are less welcome if you choose to say hello in english. isn't it already painfully obvious that french is the primary, 'preferred' language in a 'bilingual' city? i don't have enough appendages to count the times i've been discriminated against- not for SPEAKING english 'out of turn', but simply by virtue of being a bonafide anglophone from the western tip of the island. i'm tired of it! you don't hear me slagging off a francophone for his lazy, blatant bastardization of one of the romance languages, you don't see me disrespecting someone because they come from some little farm town where it's okay to throw racist remarks around and speak incoherently. i worked once at a St Jean Baptiste day concert at Parc Jean Drapeau, where of course, the grounds were overrun with people from outside the city, ready to commence drinking at 1pm and deface public property and relieve themselves whereever they chose to do so. okay, fine, we're all guilty of over-doing the celebration now and then. what got me, being a 16 year old anglophone from a NON PRIVATE ENGLISH HIGH SCHOOL IN THE WEST ISLAND, WHERE 50MINS OF CONJUGATING FRENCH VERBS EVERYDAY IS APPARENTLY SUFFICIENT FOR LIFE IN A 'BILINGUAL' METROPOLIS, freshly dropped into the costumer service realm of fulltime work, is how when my friends and i walked around, picking up trash thrown on the ground by rabble-rousers, our meagre english conversation seemed to UPSET the francophones. so much so they felt it necessary to remind us which province we were in. thanks, for the geography lesson. thank you for making me feel uncomfortable because i speak a certain language. thank you for harrassing me, swearing at me, and throwing your beer cup on the ground right in front of my feet. better, was in between performances by francophone bands, some idiot would get up on the stage and scream statistics into the microphone: which percentage of which région administrative throughout québec wanted to seperate from canada. these percentages were followed by almost maniacal cheering and screaming. i began to get dizzy- the flags of les patriotes swirling around me, angry drunken rednecks ready to lynch me for saying 'happy st jean baptiste', the taunting... these situations should never occur. i have been jaded since. jaded since, violating my human rights, an authority figure refuses to even make an attempt to speak to me in my native language, where i have no choice but to learn for myself, since the education system continues to fail. if this goddamned OQLF (makes me think of the FLQ, huh. funny.) has an issue with the english language. FIX THE SYSTEM. teach us. i still struggle with the french language, but i have no issues with learning. and i CERTAINLY do not appreciate being segregated by people old enough to know better because i don't make the french language sound as gutteral as they do. i don't appreciate being refused service because i make the effort to describe what i need in french and fail to do so as well as they might. i can no longer put up with this... racism? i have french friends, always have. we understand eachother, converse in seperate languages and get along all the same, as well as we might if we were both speaking the same language. someone put an end to this insanity. LEARN,</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 00:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I was working in Chinatown and I saw someone that kind-of-look-chinese, I&#039;d be greeting him in mandarin. Same thing if I&#039;m working in Wesmount or anglo-downtown, if I saw someone that &quot;looked&quot; caucasian I&#039;d be greeting him in english first, even though my first language is french (theoretically). It just makes business sense to address your customers in whatever language I think is their preferred.  So why get offended when the merchant gets it wrong?  Do you have a tattoo on your forehead saying you like to be served in french?

And by the way, we&#039;re supposed to be learning english in high school.  By Sec 5, everybody is supposed to be speaking decent, if not basic, english. Just like my buddies from Windsor, Ontario, which is a few hours *further* than Toronto, speak  broken french, but at least understand me.

I find it rather insulting than anglos should be alienated because they speak english *IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY*. Yes, I said it, they won the war, they own our asses, and our tongues as well.  We should consider ourselves lucky to be still talking french at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I was working in Chinatown and I saw someone that kind-of-look-chinese, I'd be greeting him in mandarin. Same thing if I'm working in Wesmount or anglo-downtown, if I saw someone that "looked" caucasian I'd be greeting him in english first, even though my first language is french (theoretically). It just makes business sense to address your customers in whatever language I think is their preferred.  So why get offended when the merchant gets it wrong?  Do you have a tattoo on your forehead saying you like to be served in french?</p>
<p>And by the way, we're supposed to be learning english in high school.  By Sec 5, everybody is supposed to be speaking decent, if not basic, english. Just like my buddies from Windsor, Ontario, which is a few hours *further* than Toronto, speak  broken french, but at least understand me.</p>
<p>I find it rather insulting than anglos should be alienated because they speak english *IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY*. Yes, I said it, they won the war, they own our asses, and our tongues as well.  We should consider ourselves lucky to be still talking french at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Deanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t realized that the message that francophones receive when looking at these posters is:
&quot;we pretend we care about your language&quot;. 

I had only thought about the message I received as an anglo: 
&quot;your language doesn&#039;t count and you suck&quot;

Obviously these posters serve no one.

I think the money that they put into this campaign would actually serve the French language if they had spent it on French language courses.  It&#039;s because of the federal second language summer bursary program (now called &quot;explore&quot;: http://www.jexplore.ca/english/program.html)
 that I am now French speaking and I work mostly in French.  More support should go to programs like these and they should forget these posters which only fan the flames of hurt on either side of the language debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn't realized that the message that francophones receive when looking at these posters is:<br />
"we pretend we care about your language". </p>
<p>I had only thought about the message I received as an anglo:<br />
"your language doesn't count and you suck"</p>
<p>Obviously these posters serve no one.</p>
<p>I think the money that they put into this campaign would actually serve the French language if they had spent it on French language courses.  It's because of the federal second language summer bursary program (now called "explore": <a href="http://www.jexplore.ca/english/program.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jexplore.ca/english/program.html</a>)<br />
 that I am now French speaking and I work mostly in French.  More support should go to programs like these and they should forget these posters which only fan the flames of hurt on either side of the language debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 13:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max:  I suggest you go read the text of the Charter.  Nowhere does it dictate what language you can/can&#039;t speak as an individual.</description>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think francophone Quebecers have to get over themselves and realize that INDIVIDUALS ought to have the right to speak the language of their choice. That is a fundamental value of freedom of expression. As an individual proprietor, if i want to operate my business in eglish, that is my right. By denying that right, my right to freedom of speech, expression and a right to earn a living are infringed. If you are not satisfied with the service go to another store, and with a francophone population of 6 million in Quebec it can&#039;t be too hard. Francohphone Quebecers are not the threatened minority they pretend to be, when it&#039;s convenient. It sometimes seems to me the goal is cultural hegemony, not the vitality of French. More and more we hear about root out english from every corner of Quebec, as if its veru existence is anathema to a healthy french culture in the same province, a premise i find hard to agree with. 

And yes there are still English areas within Montreal, as they have been for several hundred years. These areas were built by anglophones, have anglophone infrastructre i.e. schools, libraries, cultural centers, hospitals, churches, synagogues, etc..so what&#039;s the surprise? Do you really need every corner of Quebec to be serviced in French? Montreal has always been bilingual, and should remain so</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think francophone Quebecers have to get over themselves and realize that INDIVIDUALS ought to have the right to speak the language of their choice. That is a fundamental value of freedom of expression. As an individual proprietor, if i want to operate my business in eglish, that is my right. By denying that right, my right to freedom of speech, expression and a right to earn a living are infringed. If you are not satisfied with the service go to another store, and with a francophone population of 6 million in Quebec it can't be too hard. Francohphone Quebecers are not the threatened minority they pretend to be, when it's convenient. It sometimes seems to me the goal is cultural hegemony, not the vitality of French. More and more we hear about root out english from every corner of Quebec, as if its veru existence is anathema to a healthy french culture in the same province, a premise i find hard to agree with. </p>
<p>And yes there are still English areas within Montreal, as they have been for several hundred years. These areas were built by anglophones, have anglophone infrastructre i.e. schools, libraries, cultural centers, hospitals, churches, synagogues, etc..so what's the surprise? Do you really need every corner of Quebec to be serviced in French? Montreal has always been bilingual, and should remain so</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These stickers are hilarious.

It&#039;s like if they put up similar
stickers in Westmount saying,
&quot;We Serve White People Here.&quot;

Completely unnecessary.
But I kind of understand.
See, they have to put
Anglos in their place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These stickers are hilarious.</p>
<p>It's like if they put up similar<br />
stickers in Westmount saying,<br />
"We Serve White People Here."</p>
<p>Completely unnecessary.<br />
But I kind of understand.<br />
See, they have to put<br />
Anglos in their place.</p>
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		<title>By: Mtlguy</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55956</link>
		<dc:creator>Mtlguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally believe these stickers serve to satisfy a very small percentage of the population. That percentage known as troublemakers.The type of people who will always find something wrong rather than find a solutuion. 
When i go into a store i am interested in purchasing a product, I am not inviting the clerk to become a member of my family. The service to me is secondary, to the product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally believe these stickers serve to satisfy a very small percentage of the population. That percentage known as troublemakers.The type of people who will always find something wrong rather than find a solutuion.<br />
When i go into a store i am interested in purchasing a product, I am not inviting the clerk to become a member of my family. The service to me is secondary, to the product.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55819</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eeeewwwwww! Something from the Federal government!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eeeewwwwww! Something from the Federal government!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)</p>
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		<title>By: steve81</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Use these signs instead:

http://www.psagency-agencefp.gc.ca/tou/olslo-eng.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use these signs instead:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.psagency-agencefp.gc.ca/tou/olslo-eng.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.psagency-agencefp.gc.ca/tou/olslo-eng.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that when you are told for a quarter millenium that you’re no-goods, some people start to believe it.

And many people find it perfectly normal that they are not to be served in french whenever they go in a store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that when you are told for a quarter millenium that you’re no-goods, some people start to believe it.</p>
<p>And many people find it perfectly normal that they are not to be served in french whenever they go in a store.</p>
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		<title>By: AngryFrenchGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AngryFrenchGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Again, the entire point of this post is that the law already requires service in French. A sticker in the window will make no difference.&quot;

Right.  And my point is there are two ways to deal with those who don&#039;t respect the law.  OQLF inspectors and fines, or a 3 cent sticker that tells me I won&#039;t have to get into a fight and ruin my day by going into a store.  

Oh... I get it.  Your employer is going to have to find another way of filling 20% of it&#039;s paper if it can&#039;t do the angry-shopkeeper-harassed-by the-Language-police story anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Again, the entire point of this post is that the law already requires service in French. A sticker in the window will make no difference."</p>
<p>Right.  And my point is there are two ways to deal with those who don't respect the law.  OQLF inspectors and fines, or a 3 cent sticker that tells me I won't have to get into a fight and ruin my day by going into a store.  </p>
<p>Oh... I get it.  Your employer is going to have to find another way of filling 20% of it's paper if it can't do the angry-shopkeeper-harassed-by the-Language-police story anymore...</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55661</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 07:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be presumed that service be available in French at every business in Quebec. If you are not greeted in French, you can always complain to the management (provided you are polite and not nasty about it) or simply take your business elsewhere. But please don&#039;t be offended each time someone greets you in English, it&#039;s not like they&#039;re doing it to be spiteful, and these people need jobs too.

However, if someone is downright rude to you, then of course, get even by any legal means necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be presumed that service be available in French at every business in Quebec. If you are not greeted in French, you can always complain to the management (provided you are polite and not nasty about it) or simply take your business elsewhere. But please don't be offended each time someone greets you in English, it's not like they're doing it to be spiteful, and these people need jobs too.</p>
<p>However, if someone is downright rude to you, then of course, get even by any legal means necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: DAVE ID</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55628</link>
		<dc:creator>DAVE ID</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris, I somehow missed your comment. Hmmm yeah I do. I find it offensive even if I remove myself from this whole Squarehead vs Frog crap I&#039;ve been experiencing all my life, that when I address someone in a language it&#039;s just courtesy to respond in the same language. In the same way that while I was on tour with Cirque, when a English Canadian, American, Brit, Aussie would join us in discussion, we would all switch to English because no one wanted to feel excluded.

Now if you consider the political situation in Québec a business man would be a poor business man if he didn&#039;t put his bottom line ahead of his convictions. Someone walks in, you greet him in Swahili if you can. It just makes good business sense. Running a business isn&#039;t about politics. And you don&#039;t insult your patrons by refusing to speak to them in their language nor do you post signs in the window like this ridiculous campaign that sort of reminds me of the segregated south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris, I somehow missed your comment. Hmmm yeah I do. I find it offensive even if I remove myself from this whole Squarehead vs Frog crap I've been experiencing all my life, that when I address someone in a language it's just courtesy to respond in the same language. In the same way that while I was on tour with Cirque, when a English Canadian, American, Brit, Aussie would join us in discussion, we would all switch to English because no one wanted to feel excluded.</p>
<p>Now if you consider the political situation in Québec a business man would be a poor business man if he didn't put his bottom line ahead of his convictions. Someone walks in, you greet him in Swahili if you can. It just makes good business sense. Running a business isn't about politics. And you don't insult your patrons by refusing to speak to them in their language nor do you post signs in the window like this ridiculous campaign that sort of reminds me of the segregated south.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55627</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...you don’t like us “rocking the boat” when we are denied service in French&quot;

I never said that. The law gives you every right to &quot;rock the boat&quot; when you are denied service in French.

&quot;you don’t want stronger language laws&quot;

Well, I don&#039;t, but that has nothing to do with this. This isn&#039;t a law, it&#039;s a sticker.

&quot;you don’t like Francophones exercising their right not to give money to businesses who don’t respect Francophones.&quot;

Again, I never said this. In fact, I believe this is the way this &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be done.

&quot;So my conclusion is that you believe that we should just speak the language we are told to speak in stores, right?&quot;

Your conclusion is based on faulty assumptions. Again, the entire point of this post is that the law already requires service in French. A sticker in the window will make no difference.

&quot;this is a case of something Francophones want and need that does not takie anything away from Anglophones in any way shape or form...&quot;

It takes away my tax money. If they got this sponsored by a company or made it pay for itself somehow I wouldn&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"...you don’t like us “rocking the boat” when we are denied service in French"</p>
<p>I never said that. The law gives you every right to "rock the boat" when you are denied service in French.</p>
<p>"you don’t want stronger language laws"</p>
<p>Well, I don't, but that has nothing to do with this. This isn't a law, it's a sticker.</p>
<p>"you don’t like Francophones exercising their right not to give money to businesses who don’t respect Francophones."</p>
<p>Again, I never said this. In fact, I believe this is the way this <em>should</em> be done.</p>
<p>"So my conclusion is that you believe that we should just speak the language we are told to speak in stores, right?"</p>
<p>Your conclusion is based on faulty assumptions. Again, the entire point of this post is that the law already requires service in French. A sticker in the window will make no difference.</p>
<p>"this is a case of something Francophones want and need that does not takie anything away from Anglophones in any way shape or form..."</p>
<p>It takes away my tax money. If they got this sponsored by a company or made it pay for itself somehow I wouldn't give a rat's ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55626</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 00:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Les commerces ayant moins de 50 employés ne sont, justement, pas assujettis aux différentes lois linguistiques dont s’est doté le Québec&quot;

Ça veut dire que la langue du commerce ne doit pas necessairement être en français. La service à la clientèle doit être disponible en français même pour des petits commerces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Les commerces ayant moins de 50 employés ne sont, justement, pas assujettis aux différentes lois linguistiques dont s’est doté le Québec"</p>
<p>Ça veut dire que la langue du commerce ne doit pas necessairement être en français. La service à la clientèle doit être disponible en français même pour des petits commerces.</p>
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		<title>By: AngryFrenchGuy</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2008/12/19/ici-on-commerce-en-francais/comment-page-1/#comment-55610</link>
		<dc:creator>AngryFrenchGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you don&#039;t want the sticker, you don&#039;t like the OQLF butting in, you don&#039;t like us &quot;rocking the boat&quot; when we are denied service in French, you don&#039;t want stronger language laws and you don&#039;t like Francophones exercising their right not to give money to businesses who don&#039;t respect Francophones.  

So my conclusion is that you believe that we should just speak the language we are told to speak in stores, right?

Just like your dot-Qc campaign, Fagstein, this is a case of something Francophones want and need that does not takie anything away from Anglophones in any way shape or form.  The only reason you have to oppose it is pettiness and spite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you don't want the sticker, you don't like the OQLF butting in, you don't like us "rocking the boat" when we are denied service in French, you don't want stronger language laws and you don't like Francophones exercising their right not to give money to businesses who don't respect Francophones.  </p>
<p>So my conclusion is that you believe that we should just speak the language we are told to speak in stores, right?</p>
<p>Just like your dot-Qc campaign, Fagstein, this is a case of something Francophones want and need that does not takie anything away from Anglophones in any way shape or form.  The only reason you have to oppose it is pettiness and spite.</p>
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