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	<title>Comments on: It&#8217;s time to add freelancers to media union contracts</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Spat</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60642</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, by &quot;unions work well&quot;, I meant unions work well for internal employees.

Your &quot;public transit strikes&quot; example just demonstrates again unions work better in public sector, at the expense of all outsider, in this case, the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, by "unions work well", I meant unions work well for internal employees.</p>
<p>Your "public transit strikes" example just demonstrates again unions work better in public sector, at the expense of all outsider, in this case, the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60639</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unions work well in public sector, since public services don’t need to make profits to survive.&quot;

Funny, I would have put it the exact opposite way. Look at public transit strikes, for starters! They hurt the public, and actually *benefit* management, because having public transit idling means money is being saved.

Unions work well in situations where they can strike to hurt management by preventing them from making money, not in situations where the public good is the victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Unions work well in public sector, since public services don’t need to make profits to survive."</p>
<p>Funny, I would have put it the exact opposite way. Look at public transit strikes, for starters! They hurt the public, and actually *benefit* management, because having public transit idling means money is being saved.</p>
<p>Unions work well in situations where they can strike to hurt management by preventing them from making money, not in situations where the public good is the victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Genova</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60629</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Genova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m the president of the freelance branch at the Canadian Media Guild.  Thanks for a great article that points out the challenges freelancers face.  We&#039;re actually just voting on a new agreement with the CBC, one that sees our minimum rates go up by 2.5 per cent in each year of a five-year deal.  Text rates will also increase to .45/word by 2011.  That&#039;s still not a great per word rate, but better than many other publications.

I agree that it is a very difficult time to ask employers to consider putting their freelancers inside a collective agreement.  But the Guild is here to help anyone who wants to try, or any freelancer who has questions about their basic rights.  You can read more about the our freelance branch at www.cmg.ca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I'm the president of the freelance branch at the Canadian Media Guild.  Thanks for a great article that points out the challenges freelancers face.  We're actually just voting on a new agreement with the CBC, one that sees our minimum rates go up by 2.5 per cent in each year of a five-year deal.  Text rates will also increase to .45/word by 2011.  That's still not a great per word rate, but better than many other publications.</p>
<p>I agree that it is a very difficult time to ask employers to consider putting their freelancers inside a collective agreement.  But the Guild is here to help anyone who wants to try, or any freelancer who has questions about their basic rights.  You can read more about the our freelance branch at <a href="http://www.cmg.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.cmg.ca</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Genevieve Lefebvre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genevieve Lefebvre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, amusingly enough, as a &quot;freelance&quot; I gave my &quot;démission&quot; au Journal de Montréal in december as a sign of... well, I hate to use big pompous words carelessly, it gives them a bad name. I also gave $578.00 in &quot;union fees&quot; (cotisations en français) to the STIJM in 2008. 

I wonder if the union will send the money back? You know, as a sign of that famous principle. What is it called, again? Ah, yes, &quot;solidarité&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, amusingly enough, as a "freelance" I gave my "démission" au Journal de Montréal in december as a sign of... well, I hate to use big pompous words carelessly, it gives them a bad name. I also gave $578.00 in "union fees" (cotisations en français) to the STIJM in 2008. </p>
<p>I wonder if the union will send the money back? You know, as a sign of that famous principle. What is it called, again? Ah, yes, "solidarité".</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Spat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a private company can generate enough profits to sustain its union, there is not difference between private and public sectors.

Auto makers HAD very strong unions, when people could afford to buy cars made in North America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a private company can generate enough profits to sustain its union, there is not difference between private and public sectors.</p>
<p>Auto makers HAD very strong unions, when people could afford to buy cars made in North America.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60612</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got it. He&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;professional&lt;/i&gt; douchebag. I never considered going pro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it. He's a <i>professional</i> douchebag. I never considered going pro.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Martineau isn&#039;t going to any press conferences, and he wouldn&#039;t recognize me unless Patrick Lagacé pointed me out.

Besides, if he blacklisted everyone who called him a douchebag...

(Incidentally, though I disagree with his decision and I don&#039;t like his work as a professional blowhard, I don&#039;t dislike the guy as a person. This is the character he&#039;s made a career out of, and it works for him.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Martineau isn't going to any press conferences, and he wouldn't recognize me unless Patrick Lagacé pointed me out.</p>
<p>Besides, if he blacklisted everyone who called him a douchebag...</p>
<p>(Incidentally, though I disagree with his decision and I don't like his work as a professional blowhard, I don't dislike the guy as a person. This is the character he's made a career out of, and it works for him.)</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how public companies are better than private ones for unions. Auto makers have very strong unions, and they&#039;re private.

And &quot;Journal de Montréal is fighting for its life now&quot; is debatable. The union argues it&#039;s still making a hefty profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't see how public companies are better than private ones for unions. Auto makers have very strong unions, and they're private.</p>
<p>And "Journal de Montréal is fighting for its life now" is debatable. The union argues it's still making a hefty profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60597</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all very well-thought out. I just can&#039;t get past what it is you do when publicly call someone a douchebag and then have to bump into him at some local press conference or event. Avoid eye contact, I suppose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all very well-thought out. I just can't get past what it is you do when publicly call someone a douchebag and then have to bump into him at some local press conference or event. Avoid eye contact, I suppose.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Spat</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60596</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Spat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. Here is my two cents:

Unions were created to protect internal employees&#039; interest, at the expense of all outside people. That would be fine as long as all organizations have an union -- which is not true. Therefore, in our society, a few lucky ones are far more protected than others.

Unions work well in public sector, since public services don&#039;t need to make profits to survive. However, unions may not work in private sector, because a private corporation is responsible for its shareholders, and it has to make enough profits or go bankrupt.

That&#039;s why CBC&#039;s union can add freelancers to their contract, while  Journal de Montréal can&#039;t -- CBC doesn&#039;t need to make a profit, but Journal de Montréal is fighting for its life now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Here is my two cents:</p>
<p>Unions were created to protect internal employees' interest, at the expense of all outside people. That would be fine as long as all organizations have an union -- which is not true. Therefore, in our society, a few lucky ones are far more protected than others.</p>
<p>Unions work well in public sector, since public services don't need to make profits to survive. However, unions may not work in private sector, because a private corporation is responsible for its shareholders, and it has to make enough profits or go bankrupt.</p>
<p>That's why CBC's union can add freelancers to their contract, while  Journal de Montréal can't -- CBC doesn't need to make a profit, but Journal de Montréal is fighting for its life now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolas Langelier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicolas Langelier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I&#039;m the one who made the freelancers/union comment, btw.

«by protecting freelancers, the union makes it less attractive for employers to use them instead of salaried employees to save money»: this is essentially what we (at AJIQ) are telling unions -- we are still trying to build that common front you talk about. And this was also the thinking behind the Canadian Freelance Union experiment. But old habits die hard, and unions are still so much in a mind-set of trying to block all forms of freelance work... In the end, it might turn out to be their downfall, if they don&#039;t change their ways soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I'm the one who made the freelancers/union comment, btw.</p>
<p>«by protecting freelancers, the union makes it less attractive for employers to use them instead of salaried employees to save money»: this is essentially what we (at AJIQ) are telling unions -- we are still trying to build that common front you talk about. And this was also the thinking behind the Canadian Freelance Union experiment. But old habits die hard, and unions are still so much in a mind-set of trying to block all forms of freelance work... In the end, it might turn out to be their downfall, if they don't change their ways soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecile Gladel</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/01/29/freelancers-and-union-contracts/comment-page-1/#comment-60586</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecile Gladel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Nicolas Langelier, President of AJIQ who said that at Christiane Charette. Freelancers need to be include by differents ways...to be discussed. Remember l&#039;AJIQ (association des journalistes indépendants du Québec) is link with the CSN and FNC. I am the VP communications of l&#039;AJIQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Nicolas Langelier, President of AJIQ who said that at Christiane Charette. Freelancers need to be include by differents ways...to be discussed. Remember l'AJIQ (association des journalistes indépendants du Québec) is link with the CSN and FNC. I am the VP communications of l'AJIQ.</p>
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