I'm getting a bit tired of the language debate in Quebec.
I feel a bit guilty saying it, because the neverending battle has become so central to the province's identity that it's almost like I can't call myself a true Québécois unless I have a spot on the front lines. What does it mean to be a Quebecer if not to constantly argue about French vs. English, federalism vs. sovereignty, Liberal vs. PQ/BQ?
The most popular post on this blog, by far, in terms of comments is a criticism I made in 2007 about anglo rights crusader Howard Galganov. The comment mark on that post just passed 500 (all of which I had to individually approve), and new comments are added every day. Discussion of the statements made in the post or of Galganov himself have long fallen by the wayside. The four participants who keep the thread going just yell at each other, call each other racist and compare each other to Hitler in their discussions of the great divide. I block those comments that go too far, but if I deleted those that I didn't think advanced the conversation enough, over 90% would disappear immediately. At this point, I'm just watching the counter go up, in awe about how much time people can waste trying to change the mind of someone who is obviously never going to agree with you.
Autre
I'm an anglophone. Even though I've lived in Quebec my entire life, I'm seen as the enemy. No different than the Rest of Canada. It's assumed that I'm just waiting for my chance to make it in Toronto or New York, and that I don't really belong here because I don't really want to be here. Though I love Quebec as much for its culture (which is inescapably intertwined with its language) as its politics (which is inescapably intertwined with language issues), because I use English more than French in my daily life I'm set aside from real Quebecers.
Once, in a conversation with some young francophone journalists, I was asked about my opinion on Quebec politics in a way that gave me the impression I was introducing these people to a culture they'd only read about. I felt like I was giving them a sociology lesson on what it's like to be an anglo Quebecer.
One of the things that was odd about the conversation is that it came a bit out of nowhere. People don't stop me in the street to debate politics. I've never been refused service at a commercial establishment on account of my language. Francophone bloggers link to me, and I link to them, with little regard to the fact that our posts are in different languages, unless the thing were talking about is language politics. Quebecers are more concerned with daily life, gossiping or getting laid than they are convincing others of their point of view on separation.
I got dragged into a brief debate about my positions on Bill 101 recently, and though I have serious issues with some of its provisions that seem more anti-English than pro-French (and the psychological factor and selective enforcement only exacerbate the anti-English sentiment), part of me wanted to scream out at one point: "I don't care!" I can read French signs fine. I can communicate fine in that language (just don't ask me to write in it for a living). In that sense, Bill 101 doesn't really affect me. Though I cringe at how much the government is spending on language enforcement rather than language education, I think there are far more pressing issues for it to deal with than reforming our language law.
Pure laine
I bring this up because of a couple of debates going on that really make me wonder where Quebec's priorities lie.
La Presse's André Pratte had to apologize on Friday for noting that Michael Sabia, the ex-Bell CEO who has just been named to head the Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec, is (a) not a Quebecer and (b) doesn't speak French very well. It seems he was wrong on both counts. Sabia has lived in Quebec for 16 years ("how long do you have to live in Montreal before you become a Quebecer?") and his French, while accented, is fine. He attributed his first error to "un détestable réflexe québécois" - namely that if you're anglo, you're not a Quebecer. Believe me, this is a big problem. It's not just in Quebec, of course. People, media and PR agencies all over Canada will look at someone with brown skin and assume they're an immigrant. In the U.S., if you're latino, it's assumed you're an illegal immigrant or the descendant of one.
I accept Pratte's apology, but he wasn't the only one to bring this up. Sabia needed to defend himself from an attack by Bernard Landry, saying he's now chosen to live in Quebec three times since 1993.
UPDATE: No, wait, La Presse has gone back to saying he doesn't speak French well enough for their liking.
Now we know why there are rules against political interference in the Caisse's affairs. If something as petty as province of birth is a political issue (and deemed more important than making money for Quebec pensioners) then who knows how many ways 125 MNAs could figure out to screw with the system and doom our finances in order to maintain political correctness.
As Martin Patriquin points out, "Quebec must be the only place in the world where it actually matters what language money speaks."
Not just money, but pucks.
Jeu de puissance
The other debate, which has just started, is over who will fill Guy Carbonneau's shoes as head coach of the Canadiens. For any of the other 29 NHL teams, the only criterion would be the ability to coach a team of players to a Stanley Cup victory. (Well, that and not being a child molester, hockey gambling addict or 9/11 terrorist, I guess.) But in Montreal, they want to add another: the ability to speak French. And because former Hamilton Bulldogs coach Don Lever is a prime candidate (he was promoted to Habs assistant coach when Carbonneau was fired), there's already discussion that, no matter how good a hockey coach he might be, he can't get the job because he won't be able to speak properly to the media and to fans. Even Bob Gainey, who speaks French fine but with a strong accent, isn't good enough for the people at RDS.
The Gazette had a little fun with that Saturday, suggesting some intensive training courses and giving a list of simple phrases for an anglo coach to learn.
This debate should come as no surprise. The same debate has been going on ever since Saku Koivu was promoted to be the Canadiens' captain. Patrick Lagacé complained about it when he was at the Journal (though he's softened his stance at La Presse - Lagacé the old softy disputes this in a comment below) in a column more notable in media circles for its hilarious follow-up. Of course, there are plenty of NHL players who don't speak a word of English, but nobody complains about that. After all, their job is to play hockey, not to give speeches. But, in defence of this particular point, there aren't any NHL captains who can't at least carry on a conversation in the language of Gary Bettman.
And then there's debate any time you see a trade, a call-up, a healthy scratch, or even a line-change which alters the makeup of the team to make it less francophone. It doesn't matter what Guillaume Latendresse, Maxim Lapierre or Mathieu Dandenault's skills are. What matters is that they can be interviewed in French on RDS during intermission, and therefore they must be on the team and in the lineup. For these people, a Patrice Brisebois is more valuable than an Andrei Markov, and certainly more than a Mike Komisarek.
Fans can demand these things. It's their right. And Canadiens fans aren't exactly known for their logic or cool-headedness anyway. And it's the government's right to demand that the head of the Caisse is a Quebec-born francophone who watches Star Académie.
Priorités
But when you say that language and nationality is more important than skill, you can't complain when you don't get results compared to others. You can't complain that the Caisse is losing more money than other pension funds when you passed over a qualified anglophone for a less qualified francophone for the job. You can't complain that the Canadiens failed to bring home their expected 25th Stanley Cup when you cut the field of head coach candidates to less than half of what it was so that RDS viewers don't feel uncomfortable.
In the United States, the military is mocked because it fires gay Arabic translators even when it's in desperate need of them. We make fun of the Americans because they put what you are above what you know, to their own disadvantage.
Sometimes, I wonder if Quebec is any better.
Except, I'm tired of debating the point. So I'm just going to hit "publish" and move on to something more interesting.
UPDATE: More discussion of this on Lagacé's blog, which also talks about Simons's opposition to that stupid OQLF sticker campaign.
"ARRRGH!!! BFFFFF!!! HOOOOOO!!! SPITTTTT! ARRRRRRRRR!!! GRRRRR!!! FUDDLE!!! BFFFFFF!!! SHHHHHHHHTTTT!!! RRRRRVVVTYTTTT! LEAP!!!! SCRATCHHHH!!!! VRRRRR!!!"
Is that a new form of Joual...the bus is just as archaic as you ideologies Jean. Hope your hangover is not all that bad:)
Ah, Charest is very, very happy now. And deservedly so; congrats Jean. The PQ's divisions are clear, they have too many 'clan only' Anglophobic Cyber Bullies types like JN to deal with (all the proof you want above), hence the great Bouchards' departure as leader also. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-quebecoise/200906/25/01-878824-la-division-au-pq-a-eu-raison-de-legault-pense-charest.php
I will be following up with solutions shortly; b/c like I said way back, the bickering will get us nowhere.
There is a way to move on, and it's going to take a BC boy who went to l'école bilingue (albeit briefly) with Norman/Bretagne heritage to bitch slap a little change 'round this province. Furthermore, my ancestors on one side (Charlewoods' of the Grenadiers, Postons of Québec City ) won the battle on the Plains fair and square - so I will not be taking the Canadian 'boy scout' approach of the Government who are too scared to have a 'real' discussion. That got us nowhere.
BTW - Mediation with the CDPQ is set to start within the following week, will keep you posted.
If Quebeck (I am allowed to write it in my own language btw) wants to stay damned (put Percival and Friday the 13th together and you'll see why), it can do nothing about the ethnocentric militants, OR if it wants to move forward, it has to look outward and put a stop to those with the PQ mentality who have prevented it from the advancement it deserves. Montreal certainly deserves better: Losership control is on it's way out - allons-y ensemble en tant qu'égaux et non-pas maitres et esclaves.
Merci chers amis. La fiesta San Juan is for everyone.
Vous voyez, l'harcèlement psychologique répétitive ne marche pas (and it is, in fact, illegal: http://www.cnt.gouv.qc.ca/en-cas-de/harcelement-psychologique/index.html
hence my prior mentioning of the Rule of Law) – c'est sur, les militants essaie encore de nous chasser de notre propre province parce qu'ils ont peur encore du pouvoir qui n'existe pratiquement plus dans la province – comme le RRQ qui blâme Bay Street pour les décisions entièrement prises sur la place Riopelle par Rousseau son ancien équipe.
If you don't do anything about it, they won't stop until every person 'labeled' (même si on est bilingue et vient de cinq heures d'avoin d'ici) as an 'Anglophone' is forced out of the work force (and anyone else not from the Clan often), which, in turn, trickles down to the lack of attendance in the English School board – surprise, surprise. This is combined with take Bill 101 or leave, plus brain-washing of a new generation, and all cumulatively contributes to the decline of Quebeck.
This is forced departure, and it has been tried five times on me personally (André Pratte, you don't speak for victims, so don't minimize the harassment e.g. of Sabia) – those Francophones who ignore us have to take the earplugs off now. And Yesterday please, c'est dégoutant la discrimination dans la belle province.
At the CDP I was told repetitively (after the months of humiliation, blocking, prevention of advancement)…hey, do you have your bags packed? Ready to leave? Ah, risk, that's overhead…shut up. Ton mandat à changé... and finally after agreeing to leave, and just see how far it would go, I overhear, as two execs (one already gone thankfully) say to each other with door open: 'tu vois, c'est facile à crisser dehors les Anglos.' You want to project your hatred in a place that is run by all of our retirement money, with my money too? Well, the Working Standard Commission begs to differ, as well as this descendant of the Templars - and if that doesn't get you take the earplugs off, I don't know what will. C'est caves doivent être mise dans leur place, et ça presse mes amis. Montreal has to do a clean sweep of this, and SQ is doing it at Town Hall, the Liberals did it at the top of the CDPQ and the rest of us have to make sure it doesn't happen anymore in the workplace - faut repartir l'économie sans les knuckle draggers en contrôle SVP.
When I go through all of what I've explained I'm sure it might enlighten many.
Does this sense of entitlement mean that we have to leave a province we've lived in for hundreds of years?
Does it mean that we just have to leave the workforce b/c the de souche have became maitres?
No, I should certainly hope not, b/c that's not a society that is good for anyone, and I link this directly to the decline of QC.
We have rights too, and the majority should not feel entitled to relieve us of our rights, but it does, so please let's move on as equals.
Thank you.
Also, for pundits: http://www.templehouse.ie/history.html the templars were not all killed off by LeBel.
Forget it Hugh,
You are being sensible and human. That doesn't work in Quebec. It used to be that way in Quebeck... but as we've all learned; the 'new pure laines way' driven by the old Catholic Church anti English - brain washing - has created generations of 'hate the English, blame it on the English, get rid of the English - heil , stomp, stomp language cop pure laines' that 'rule quebec'. You know the 'les quebecois pour quebecois' chants... and the St. Jean Baptiste - now belongs only to the Quebecois.... They've twisted that one big time. After all Sain John the Baptist - was Christ's cousin... and Jewish..
Isn't it charming what they are promoting in his name?
Enough. They SHOULD GET OUT OF CANADA NOW... and take the BLOC with them!
"Enough. They SHOULD GET OUT OF CANADA NOW"
As I have been saying for some time.
It was interesting to watch the Fete Nationale on the publicly funded Radio Canaa and listen to the comments of some of the artists. Not kind at all to Canada.
In any event, Canada would be much better off if Quebec just took a different path and left. I am quite frankly tired of the incessant demands for more money when they have contributed virtually nothing to the country. Other than their precious language which has costs the ROC 100's of billions of dollars on their account.
It is truly a bizarre situation, in our country, to have separatist (BQ) politicians allowed to site in our government. The same only representing on particular area with no regard to the welfare of the nation. Ridiculous.
You fail to take account that this is what Patapouf thinks, said to a Desmarais mouthpiece. This is just as accurate as a weather prediction done by David Niven. And as relevant too.
More of the same “if Québec was english, it would have the ‘goodies’” oxdung… It’s just another variation on “speak white”, because the english just won’t learn french.
We are not impressed.
Who is being kicked-out? All those who leave do it on their own volition.
Yeah, when the deciders “spoke white”, didn’t have to learn french and the french were the white niggers, 50 years ago…
I will have to remind the Chump again, (comme ils sachent tres bien mes amis QCs) I love the French language, I blog in French, and I'm telling everyone and I will not get tired in my resolve, that you Naimard types are simply the worst enemies of QC.
Son attitude nuit a la sante economique du QC, c'est claire - put them in their place and stop allowing then, through complacency, to ruin this great province. I am staying, and the govt. is taking on the Chumps like Naimard for me - there is no doubt in their mind that the idiots were running things the CDP failed, just like his arguments.
I didn't leave the CDP out of my own choice (see how phracked his mind is, it's as if breaking the law is okay to this guy), it was because the I simply needed to document how they did it exactly (to tell all of us and to prepare defence so it doesn't happen anymore), as they make mistakes all the time.
Oh, right, since Naimard keeps arguing (until another round of his pensions dissappears, and mine to), maybe there's something else you should 'figure out' Jean - taxation without representation is a condition for revolution. Anglophones have not been allowed to work for the govt. for decades and this is deplorable - but nobody seems to do anything about it - well, that is changing, it starts here. If for some reason, at the end of the case, something openly welcoming us to the govt. workplace too isn't proposed, I shall take it upon myself to inform the demonised minority (Jews too) that we should be getting a tax rebeate (same way there is a QC abatement on the Fed return) for being subject to decades and decades of reverse discrimination and next to no representation within the govt. itself - how about that you prejudiced, projecting Chump. It's about moving on as equals, not about your speak white crap from generations ago.
Westerner,
It's not Quebec that should get out of Canada. It's the separatists that must get out. The FEDERALIST Quebecers are staying in Canada. That's the point you seem to keep missing and or ignoring; your fellow Canadians, the majority of Quebecers, that for some reason - you guys seem to think - just disappeared - when the seppy's took power and started to blackmail the country - and REMOVE OUR RIGHTS.
Why has that been ignored? Why aren't you outraged, that our English language, ability to earn a living, being totally discriminated against in Canada, in our home province - is tolerated? Have you contacted your member of parliament about this? And demanded that our language and rights be returned immediately?
The separatists and the Bloc - should get the hell out of Canada and Quebec. As a matter of fact - they can keep the name - Quebec - they've sullied it into a dirty word anyway - so they can take it with them to Quebec City - and sit on their bigoted thrones and rule the pure laines to their hearts content. The prize they've been after for 30 years - Greater Montreal - the townships - Gatineau etc... always has been, always will be Canadian.
Naimard is delusional. He is narrow minded and refuses to see the big picture. Unfortunately Hugo you words are lost on him. If you're at all interested I have included (on this same blog) but different topic, I believe it's Anglo separatisse a copy of UNESCO's decision regarding Quebec's signage and education laws. Naimard is constantly professing there is NO discrimination in Quebec, there he has proof! The extremists are always expressing the need to express themselves @ UNESCO yet they cannot even comply to their basic recommendations! At least one thing is good. It mentioned the best thing to do was to expose QUEBEC to the outside world!
So Naimard, since one person used the "speak white" term to a Francophone in Eaton many, many years ago...this represents all Anglos??? LOL. Talk about small minded.
Also, what would the term for us be, you know the ones who are discriminated against by Bill 101 and the ones told "parle francais on est au Quebec", would we be the "white niggers" now?
Stop your pathetic pity party, Quebec Francophones have it way better off than anyone in this entire country! You know, the convenient "we're a minority, oh no, we're a majority" card used at the opportune times!!! HA, you really are good for a laugh Naimard. And merci de parler blanc!!!! HAHAHAHA
This is sick, he has the nerve to say that we leave out of our own volition!
Ok, no integrity again, and again - and trust me, not all Quebeckers are like this, just about 10-15% who are extremist (sovt. militants) to the point of denying our rights to exist and work in QC openly (taking advantage of the complacency) - and, what's more, flipping his xenophobic 'shut up and leave' attitude back onto the minority as if we leave the workplace controlled by goons out of choice? Did he even click on the link to the law? Did I ask to have a contract taken from me? Did I ask for the racial comments? Did I ask for the verbal psychological harassment? YOU think I asked to be at MINUS FORTY in my bank accounts while I wait for the govt. to fix this mess? We were even told by a board member that nobody would have their contract cut, but within a month the goons moved in, and all who were not part of the clan were on the street.
When are the majority of QCs going to do something about this crime to humanity going on right underneath all of our noses, and in Canada (Louise Arbour, please come back home and help us! This isn't a joke Madame).
Et Marc, tu vois comment ça marche maintenant (lire les commentaires ci-haut), mais tu parles encore des langues Officielles - if English never was an official language in QC (even if spoken by the demonised, downtrodden minority) how come there are still many cities on the Island of Montreal that are officially bilingual...hmm must be because they EN was never an official language (look at the flag of the City: Scots, Irish, French and English over the cross of St. George). You've fallen into the revisionist history whole too? Je ne peux pas crois que j'entends des mensenges ouvertement. L'ignorance est tellement profonde ici, il me dépasse. (of course Naimard claims we are all clueless, typical QC city style...thinking his sh_t doesn't stink - au contraire Loser, c'est dégoutant)
The fundamental is that your leaders have been preaching to you (truthiness until you believe it) about winning back Montreal even though it has been bilingual for centuries - why are you projecting, in the same way as Jean 'le con' Naimard? Soyez lucide Québec, mon cher, il est grand temps.
QC can must move out of the Decline Tranquille (illusion tranquille of sovt.) by embracing equal rights to its minorities. The presumed sense of entitlement, supported by a faction within the govt., still to this day by repressive policies, must end- and like yesterYear. We must get a common petition together to send to the govt - I have written several postings on my blog and nobody is harassing me because I'm bilingual, honest and logical. Sovt bullies are very, very afraid - see above (Jean shows us he's not ever lived outside the province) comments page 4 onwards. The PQ is crumbling and we have to strike out their 'you're not part of the Clan' message une fois pour toute mes amis - ensemble nous allons batir une province modèle pour que le reste du Canada nous suivent de nouveau. égalité entre les residents est requise d'abord afin d'accomplir cette tache. THANK YOU Truth and logic shall prevail. I am a Champion for Canada, est le Québec est inclus dans mon pays.
My dearest Hugo,
Don't let this type of person get under your skin. And like I said before and as i believe t&t said; you are wasting your good energy and time. He's been programmed to hate and nothing you say will change him. He's HAPPY the way he is; in his pure laines land of hell.
Let's spend our time on helping him MOVE!! OUT OF CANADA!!!!
What I love about the separatist stance is 1) French will disappear if its not protected by legislation and coercion and 2) only a soveriegn Quebec can reach its full potential.
So...1) can the seppies explain how a few thousand Chinese in Montreal, surrounded by millions of Francos and Anglos can maintain their language and culture and how an even smaller number of Hassidic Jews, in Montreal can maintain their language and culture while being surrounded by those same millions of Francos and Anglos.... and roughly 7 million Francophones are worried that their language and culture are endangered....please...how incompetant are they???
2) Have the seppies really thought through how well their language would do if Quebec really left Canada??? 30million really pissed of Canadians aren't going to be too interested in protecting or promoteing the French language in the rest of Canada....not to mention the 350 million indifferent folks south of the border.......a country of 7 million Francophones...surrounded by 380 million Anglo and Allophones....wow then French really will be an endangered language in North America
A few buses displayed Bonne fête du Canada today. I was shocked.
Yeah, lemme guess, you have serveral very good french friends, too…
Yeah, only the english know the Economy well, I know, and we, the french, by asking our fair share, ruin the deal for you. I know. (It’s on purpose)
You have failed so far to demonstrate any failure in my arguments.
You were fired?
It’s just too bad we’re so racist and won’t let you run the show, because only the english know the Economy, eh?
Bummer!!!
Well, that’s what the west-island voted for in the de-mergers… And, no, you guys won’t make a revolution, the system advantages you too much…
Jumping the shark again, Fonzie???
How is that? Please explain us? Could it be because they refuse to learn french, the language of the workplace maybe???
Bwahahahaha!!!!
Oh? Even when you have a whole majority government totally dedicaced to the english, brought to you by the liberal party of Québec???
Yes, it's true, the english are more equal than the french… Just like the pigs in Animal Farm (a story by an ENGLISH author)…
I wonder what your member of parliament answered to that… Inquiring minds, etc, etc… Must have laughed his brains out…
Ah, yes, the english are so democratic, but only when that democracy suits them… If the people were to vote against their interests — oh! the humanity!!! — that’s bad democracy.
This is so stupid I can’t believe I’m answering that (on the eve of 2009 Dominion Day)…
Well, yes, you’re clearly not happy here. You want to be english in a french place, and you want the english to run the show just because they are english. Clearly this does not work here anymore, and it is pointless to try to change it back.
Therefore you should go somewhere else where the english run the show, unencumbered with those pesky french who want to run the show, just because they’re more numerous than the french.
Democracy can be such a joy-killer…
But it’s still a free country, so you’re perfectly free to leave! You’re free to leave to a 4 times smaller house 4 times further from work near Toronto.
You are forced to work in the underground economy??? How is that???
Popcorn! Popcorn! I’m brewing a fresh batch of pop-corn!!!
Well, you come here, and start saying in essence that only the english are fit to run the show (which is total bullshit), and then you’re not happy when we debunk your bullshit??? And then you have the nerve to complain about it?
Maybe it’s an english thing, but in my universe, you just can’t have your cake **AND** eat it, too…
The money in the CDP was all yours???
Bwahahaha! He was fired from the CDP!!!!
Louise Arbour has seen the meaning of real suffering, and of real ethnic cleansing. To insinuate that they ought to look at your little ranty whines is insulting for that distinguished body of most professional people (the supreme court justices, of course).
Et Marc, tu vois comment ça marche maintenant (lire les commentaires ci-haut), mais tu parles encore des langues Officielles – if English never was an official language in QC (even if spoken by the demonised, downtrodden minority) how come there are still many cities on the Island of Montreal that are officially bilingual…hmm must be because they EN was never an official language (look at the flag of the City: Scots, Irish, French and English over the cross of St. George). You’ve fallen into the revisionist history whole too? Je ne peux pas crois que j’entends des mensenges ouvertement. L’ignorance est tellement profonde ici, il me dépasse. (of course Naimard claims we are all clueless, typical QC city style…thinking his sh_t doesn’t stink – au contraire Loser, c’est dégoutant)
What lucidity? The murky one that makes you say that only the english are fit to rule???
You are just pissed that you cannot live here as you could in Toronto, and instead of adjusting, you want Montréal to become like Toronto.
You don’t care about minorities; you’re just using them as tools to foment unstability. You just want to use immigrants to minorize us.
The majority is entitled to run the show. This is called “democracy”.
No body is giving a hoot because you’re not worth it. Nobody cares about your cause because it is a non-cause.
Only a Québec that know his place, that is, one that is run by the english.
Don’t you think for your political position to be implemented it should be desirable?
Don’t you think that we’ve had enough crap from being in the political position you want to bring back?
Don’t you think that we don’t want go back there?
Don’t you think then that your political position will never happen???
I certainly don’t want to go back 50 years in time.
Yeah, let’s more all Québec out of Canada. It never was in anyways.
Yeah, so?
Well, that’s an easy one. The chinese are a very old civilization whose population is almost two billion people — that’s about 6 times as much as the US, down south. Their cultural tradition is sufficiently strong (more than 2000 years!!!) to remain strong.
The hassidic jews are segregating themselves in a very hermetic ghetto, going to great lengths not to be “polluted” by non-hassidic ideas, such as reformed (“modern”) judaism, for example (and much less french ideas), for example by using illegal schools that do not meet the minimal criterion of the ministry of education… That’s how they keep their culture, by brainwashing their kids in segregated, tightly closed school and environments.
Well, no. They aren’t too interested in promoting it right now anyways, so what’s the difference???
With our sovereignty, immigrants will no longer be expected by the federal government to become english, and they will therefore cease to be a constant threat. A sovereign Québec will have absolutely no problem whatsoever in making absolutely clear to immigrants that they are immigrating to a french country. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER NORMAL COUNTRY ON EARTH RIGHT NOW MAKES SURE THEIR IMMIGRANTS KNOW WHICH LANGUAGE THE COUNTRY THEY ARE COMING TO SPEAKS.
Sweden doesn’t have much more people than Québec, and is surrounded by hundreds of millions of non-swedes, and they are doing pretty fine; swedish is not an endangered language, even though it does not have a wide following like french does.
The same goes for portuguese, or dutch, or whatever small non-universal language you can find in Europe.
So why would it be different from Québec?
You’re the guys who live in la-la-land; you should look at the world outside of the huge anglo-saxon ghetto, you’ll see that things aren’t as you think they are.
Maybe tomorrow Jean will take part in "moving day" rather than Canada day as he is obviously not a fan of Canada. One can only hope that he and his allies relocate somewhere far away in "never never land"
Of course one must look at the facts.
French has declined 25% in the ROC.
And has diminished worldwide and lost its premanance as a language of use.
English has become the international standard with business, air traffic control, etc.
So one must ask the question, What if any are the advantages of speaking french, which appears to be of little significance these days in light of the stats.
Of course , with our lack of judgment in Canada we will continue with failed programs to promote this language where parisian french is taught in immersion programs and of course the Quebecois speak their "joual" version which has even less impact on the world stage.
Hilarious, quite frankly when a pseudo french Quebecois cannot be understood by someone in France. So then, if you have the pure langauge in demise, what does that say for the "imitation" of the same.. I would say very low on the world stage.
The end is coming and there is nothing language laws can do. the young in Quebec will migrate more commonly to english. It is only the older people that are holding on to the belief that it will survive in NA. Hasn't got a f'king chance.
Sorry, that is just they way it is..and will be..and there is nothing the Quebec government can do to prevent this from happening. You might have two official langauges in Canada but if no one speaks the second one, what does that mean.
Have a nice "moving day" or Canada day depending upon where you live
I think French still has significance. And I'm not calling for its eradication.
Though I do agree that if French does fade away in Quebec, it will be because the descendants of Quebecers decide to speak English, not because the anglophones have taken over.
Nope, I’ll stay put, get ahead in my work, and if it’s nice, go out and laugh at the migrants, like I do every year.
Yes, by all means. ALL the facts, of course.
Thanks to the vigorous ethnic cleansing done by the english, yes.
Actually, no. Plenty of business is transacted in many other languages than french.
In redneck west, it is of little use, yes, but in scientific, diplomatic and cultural circles (places where one would spend a long time looking for a western redneck), french is of a signi
Gee, one would almost think this was by design…
You don’t know what you are talking about; you’re just rehashing the typical anti-french drivel pumped-out by canadian media.
The young in Québec look at the english, and see a bunch of dull, excruciatingly boring people with a lot of nearly exclusive cultural hangups, and they will not gratitate towards the english.
The usual clueless conclusion from the usual uninformed suspects.
Oh? So why do you still call for anti-french measures?
And this will never happen; it hasn’t happenned in 250 years, despite the most odious things being done to us, which prompted some of us to become english, we haven’t “converted” en masse.
Becaue being french brings you something richer than what you can buy with (english) money: la culture française.
I don't. I call for the end to anti-english measures. I have no problem with the measures of Quebec language law that encourage and protect the rights of francophones.
Well, no. They aren’t too interested in promoting it right now anyways, so what’s the difference???
BS Jean...French required to work in the federal Civil service, bilingual labelling laws required in the rest of Canada...etc etc...typical insecure seppie...ignore the facts to justify your position.
As for the rest of your rant Jean, trying to compare Sweden and the Swedes with Quebec and the Quebecois is absurd for many reasons...the most obvious is that Swedes have a real work ethic among other advantages ...its you and the rest of the insecure, zenophobic sheep that want to turn Quebec into a francophone, overtaxed, 4th world ghetto.
"I think French still has significance. And I’m not calling for its eradication."
The point I was making was what are the advantages of speaking french and not that the language should be eradicated. If there are few or no advantages then the language will diminish in common use and/or significance. This will take time but in North America is likely a certainty.
You are right about the youth in Quebec. If there are no advantages to using french they will start migrating to english on their own which will provide them with more advantages in NA and the world. Not because the anglos have forced them in this direction as quite frankly the opposite is true with the bilingual programs in Canada which have failed. They may still retain their french tongue but over time this will fade with future generations as the linguistic skill sets atrophy. Sad perhaps, but this is most likely how things will unfold.
All the money we have spent on the OLA and french imperative programs will prove to have been a huge waste of money in 20 years from now.
Canada will not become bilingual and french will not gain ground in Canada as statistics are clearly illustrating (actually losing ground as there is simply no advantage to utilizing french in 90% of Canada. This despite the massive amounts of money being poured out to try and appease a minority in Canada who themselves are trying to "eradicate" a minority language themselves.
Intersting isnt it.
"Nope, I’ll stay put, get ahead in my work, and if it’s nice, go out and laugh at the migrants, like I do every year."
I think the old saying "those that laugh last laugh loudest" is very appropriate with your comment.
I note that others on this blog exteneded a happy St. Jeans day. I would suppose this speaks volumes for the attitudes and character of some in Quebec. Sad to be so filled with contempt that common courtesies are abandoned.
Though I do agree that if French does fade away in Quebec, it will be because the descendants of Quebecers decide to speak English, not because the anglophones have taken over.
Truer words were never said!
"I call for the end to anti-english measures."
Correct Mr. Fagstein. the door swings only one way with Quebec at this time. Play the minority card in the country and play the majority card in Quebec.
Namaird would blame anglos for the fact that it rains on St. Jean day. Those that blame others for all the problems are not looking inwardly to see the problems they create for themselves.
"Thanks to the vigorous ethnic cleansing done by the english, yes"
Yes, the OLA, 40% bilingual hiring quotas in the federal civil service. What dribble-ethnic cleansing. 8.5 Billion a year in treats to a french province. Ethnic cleansing, we don't have laws like 101 in Canada. Give your head a shake Namaird. You are making yourself look like an ass.
'Actually, no. Plenty of business is transacted in many other languages than french'
You are correct in languages other than french....mostly english these days. So then you yourself admit the diminishing role of french in the world.
"In redneck west, it is of little use, yes, but in scientific, diplomatic and cultural circles (places where one would spend a long time looking for a western redneck), french is of a signi'
Where?, we have already established that french is not nearly as precise as english which is why in scientific circles english has become the norm. Cultural circles, maybe in the francophonie but no where else. Are you on drugs?
"The young in Québec look at the english, and see a bunch of dull, excruciatingly boring people with a lot of nearly exclusive cultural hangups, and they will not gratitate towards the english."
Really, is that why they want to learn english. So they can be dull as well. What cultural hangups?
We will see. Gosh, you must be a prophet, in that you can speak for the thoughts and mindsets of others. Get the facts and see what the outmigration of Quebec youth has been in the last ten years. Then get back to me.
"You don’t know what you are talking about; you’re just rehashing the typical anti-french drivel pumped-out by canadian media."
Really, this seems to be a common comment by many. Isn't it reported in both franco and anglo press that french instruction needs to be improved in Quebec? French is not likely in danger at this time in Quebec but perhaps the quality of french is what is in question. Wake up and read some newspapers and reports from the educators.
"The usual clueless conclusion from the usual uninformed suspects
Haven't you as yet learned a new word for clueless? The state of affairs will continue and you might not be around to see it but it will happen due to forces in NA and the World. It's already happening in France where english has become vogue. Again, do some research. French is becoming increasingly of less value as a language of business, economics and world affairs.
"Oh? So why do you still call for anti-french measures?"
What anti french measures are you referring? Of course you have anti english measures existing today in Quebec, don't you.
"And this will never happen; it hasn’t happenned in 250 years, despite the most odious things being done to us, which prompted some of us to become english,"
Bonne chance avec ca. 6 million (and decreasing) and 330 million anglos (and increasing)?
You honestly think that less than 2% of the population of NA is going to dictate to the other 98%.
As I said, if you believe this, perhaps you should take up stand up routine at the Montreal festival so everyone can have a good laugh.
Of course why am I wasting my time with someone who simply can't comprehend the situation and numbers and realities.
Basically, you lost the war both on the battlefield and with your language battle. When you have to protect it with discrimatory laws you have already lost. Sarkozy and compagnie is demanding more english taught in france. What does that say?
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Well, this is by deliberate design to piss-off ignorant bigoted western rednecks.
Oh? We don’t have a work ethic? I did not know that eating crumpets was so detrimental to neurons. I will not answer that, it would give it some value it doesn’t even think of having…
So why are you so adamant at people not taking advantages of those advantages by learning french, for example, to get a job mopping floors in the Red Deer unemployment office???
And why would that be? North America is not isolated, there are many areas where french is quite useful, and even more so than english.
You assume too much; english is far from being an universal language.
Those programs would not have failed if the english were interested in learning french, but this is definitely not the case (the anglo-saxon have a deep-set cultural inability to understand other culture; this definitely comes from their imperialistic trait).
This is only if the immigrants to Québec are being anglicized by the federal government, and law 101 is the main tool to battle that.
And this, thanks to the english disdain for the french.
It has the massive advantage of not having you labelled a massive bigoted ignorant redneck that gleefully wallows in his own ignorance.
There is no effort being done to get rid of english (a definite minority language) in Québec. However, if the english do not feel happy being a minority, they are very welcome to leave; we do not want unhappy people in Québec.
Quite so, indeed. This marvelously shows how little you know about Québec.
(The other comments are not worthy of a response, and it is a pity that you cannot “unread” something).
Thank you Fagstien, Beck, Didi, Marc and Westerner for your contributions to the debate (I cannot agree with everything from the latter, but hey, I'll still defend his right to speak out), let's focus on the real issues here, the ones that the Anglophobic militant sovereigntist Cyber Bullies try and distract everyone from.
English speaking Quebeckers are subject to significant discrimination within the government, the majority is in denial of this. Thanks again to the sovt.s, Jean just validates exactly how victims are treated. I could have stayed bitter and did nothing to help out, but this has seriously caught the CDP so much by surprise (I guess the complaca-phones after all these years have just heeded and realized 'what is their place' in QC society unfortunately) Well, ce temps là Jean, est dépassé – he lives in another time …. He's just like a white supremacist in Alabama trying to defend segregation. Acting as if the majority stripping a minority of rights it democracy: funny that, the sovereigntists have been running the CDPQ up until recently, and have made the institution irrelevant over the past five years (holding onto a mandate scapegoat, instead of only investing in nationalist companies), proof of what would the militant élite would do once they run a country (ignore freedom of speech, play the politics of fear, squander off the wealth to the fat cats, and keep minorities out of any management positions) – sounds like the Republicans, doesn't it...not very compatible with the average QCers mentality surprisingly enough, no wonder the PQ is dying. Needless to say, the workplace in QC's govt is for everyone, and the method to stand up to the internal hypocrisy as what I have mentioned above is easy. Anglophones of QC, please empower yourselves by documenting everything you see and going to the Working Standards Commission when you witness such typical bad behaviour in the workplace – because that is where they are still fighting the battle (lost everywhere else).
Someone asked me the other day how to duel with the militants such as 'Jean Le Con' it is simple: the tool you use is a broom, because that is the best way to push the rats back into their whole. Like I've said before and will again, I have many, many QCois friends who understand how these goons operate and a few have had to gone to the CNT themselves to free them of their dictatorship in the workplace. It wouldn't surprise me if Jean has some English blood in him too, b/c the push-back onto someone else …is a 'trick' I have noticed several persons from Northern England perform involuntarily (but hey, I could be projecting too, right?).
The big picture is how QC itself deals with these persons, and since the majority is too complacent to actually do anything about it, and they are not the victims anway, is that they simply do not care about minorities (especially the Anglo one, which is supposedly treated very well, according to the BQ when asked outside of the province).
Jean, the ROC of Canada is too nice to ethnically cleanse in this way (distract and flip it back on us…typical), I have never heard of a story like this (at the CDPQ it's repetitive, many security guards are my witnesses over the years) – even though I know discrimination does exist in the rest of Canada. We welcome bilinguals into the work place with quotas, but of course here, after decades of minority exclusion from the government (b/c many Anglophones have taken the attitude that there is no point to work with the govt 'qui ne vaut pas un sous' anyway) Anglophones have simply given up.
What's really problematic is that I was hired by a Belgian senior VP ( after passing the first interview with two boys from Sherbrooke ) to do several things, and the top three most important were: Optimisation, Disaster Recovery and Production Support.
What gives the pure laine intermediate boss the right to block my deliverables? His boss authorized my work, btw. And then hear afterwards that 'tu ne gêles pas avec l'équipe' (of complacency, Anglophobia, scape-goating, dishonesty)
Optimisation was blocked and access to production to do the job was denied. This is all prevention of advancement, humiliation, psychological harassment (repetitive, plus racial comments) - I supposed this is what you call legitimate workplace environment (head in the sand again Ladies and Gentlemen). LaPresse writes about hostile work environments, and the CDP was (hoping Sabia's arrival changes this) a perfect example of one as built as the bastion of sovereignty during the past generation.
Of course, let's take the fight to the street-level 'dickhead' (as Aussies love to call these obvious bad seeds) will sit there try to say my contract being cut after all of this was legitimate – typical flipping the problem back onto the victim. Yeah, that's it man, blame the victim! Merci encore de faire preuve de mon point, déjà fait par le film les Voleurs de l'Enfance. Thank God the Working Standards Commission is there with a diverse group of employees (funny, a Greek is handling the mediation, since having the Clan on both sides of the table wouldn't be very neutral, would it) to weed out this type of behaviour. It's hilarious, that every time I have stood up to these guys, they pull out any illegitimate weak arguments every time. I mean, it's too funny – the one who told me that I was 'too Noble for the Caisse' (also gone, surprise, surprise) would look at a typical Change Management document and harass me for a comment by the mobile phone number of the – and the rest of the document wasn't important to him (showing how to optimise a data type and cut the size of the databases in HALF, I guess too insulting for the existing territorial DBA… so much so that he said he would quit. I wasn't trying to 'run the show' (again Naimard projecting), I was asked by a Senior VP to accomplish several deliverables, but b/c it would insult a few cogs, they pulled any reason possible out of their behinds as to not proceed (most of the time, it was 'j'ai peur' au 'ça me tente pas' even if a Senior VP had approved the work, but hey…does Inappropriate allocation of resources mean anything to these twits? Guess not, when HR was deleting my e-mails complaining about this issue, they pulled the typical majority favourite of ignoring the problem (by pressing the delete button on the e-mail, which I know happens thanks to read receipts, in turn, the CNT thought this was very interesting, not to mention illegal too).
Village idiots, not the best and brightest of Quebec by any stretch of the imagination – and trust me, I have seen some very smart people here, but they also are blocked by these goons and leave the province for real opportunity (in their own words, they describe working with the Govt. as if it was working in Bangladesh) – the execs at Diesel and Zoom Media said to a group of aspiring entrepreneurs in 2003 that we should just get out of QC altogether – this coming from the 'de souche' themselves. Hmmm, déclin tranquille du Québec, wonder why? C'est la raison pour laquelle il nous faut travailler ensemble à travers les lignes linguistiques afin de régler ce problème une fois pour toute – ou, du moins, faire une campagne de sensibilisation comme pas en avant SVP.
Newspaper journalists have noted that (prominent politicians too) say they have issues keeping good staff a the CDP, well, the solution is right there in front of us – stop the goons of the workplace from ruining it for everyone – and if all our retirement money isn't worth saving, what is? This is, à mon avis, the biggest problem facing progress in modern QC, donc il faut le régler ensemble en tant q'éqaux et non-pas maitre/esclave.
Ah, sorry, I made a mistake above the Charlewoods (probably also Charlebois after intermarrying also) were serving with the Gloucestershire Regiment (page six http://Shebbeare.com)
T&T – yes, I know, my words are lost on the Naimard types, but the web is very useful in disseminating and stamping out ignorant trolls' messages (it is easy to show consistent and credible arguments to readers) – J'ai confiance qu'il y a plein de Québécois qui vont très bien comprendre ce que j'explique parce que je ne joue pas de jeux politique style bouc-émissaire tel que Bernard 'dérive ethnique' Landry, ou bien, la plupart des moutons qui le suit sans questionner ses raisons.
I wish for QC's Anglophone minority (and other minorities too) not to be afraid to stand up to this hypocrisy anymore, since it is in violation of existing laws in QC (Rule of Law, again people), and the govt. itself will defend you (even if you have to persevere a bit). What's more, the North American disease of listening and believing the guy who yells out the loudest has to be taken into consideration, because Naimard's intellect, for example, shows us how he cannot get past the blame everyone else for my problems syndrome.
So I've failed to demonstrate any problems with your arguments, well, sorry buddy, everyone else here practically does – even Franco.s like Marc, they know t'es une Cave.
Why don't you go and litter someone else's blog with your retrograde ideas.
Ah, and yet again, saying that the govt. system advantages us too much – very, very funny: we are barely allowed getting a job in the prov. Govt. and the system is an advantage for us (?), duh…you've demonstrated to us all again, how the majority doesn't even listen (lack of basic communication skills) to minorities in their own province.
And no Jean, I don't want the English (who are in England btw) running the show, I just want everyone else to be involved in QC govt., not just ethnocentrism or nepotism. Anyway, I've obviously struck a few nerves, because why – I'll remind him again, since he likes to think that nobody should have the right to question the way things are run here, we are from the same part of France originally, and he's an immigrant too, so the retarded presumed sense of entitlement to prevent Anglophones from working in the govt. is moot by even your ethnocentric filtered Anglophobic cyber-bullying brain.
It is was written that on average, each Quebecker lost 55k with respect to the 40BN loss at the CDPQ, for me, that has been in addition to the remaining 5 months of a contract I was supposed to have secured, until the mafia boys moved in. So I suppose another stupid comment from Jean will come, saying that it was only my money lost, well no, just about double of what every persons' pension money lost here – not something easy for a small business to absorb, but thanks to a great credit rating, I am allowed to borrow until the CNT finishes the job. My deserved bail-out, after all this self sacrifice to take a stand for Anglophones in QC will be enough I am sure (but hey, victory is another imposter anyway).
Bilingualism has to be re-embraced by Québec, and denying immigrants opportunity (again, making decisions for others) before they even arrive is crazy – Montreal is a bilingual city, but the little people man is still in denial as usual. McGill (for hundreds of years already) and Concordia exist for a reason; he and the hypocrites will do whatever manipulation of history possible to convert more to his camp, which results only in his loss again.
"Well, this is by deliberate design to piss-off ignorant bigoted western rednecks.
NO, just another attempt to place a soother in the mouthes of those such as you by politicos that should really tell you to get lost.
"Oh? We don’t have a work ethic?"
Really, a national magazine reported that the average Quebecer works 130 hours less than the average worker in the ROC. What does that say. Other statistic. 8.5 billion for a have not province where the work ethic is so paramount. If the work ethic was so great why are you a have not province?? Tell us with facts.
"Those programs would not have failed if the english were interested in learning french, but this is definitely not the case (the anglo-saxon have a deep-set cultural inability to understand other culture; this definitely comes from their imperialistic trait)."
NO, not really, they just have no need to learn french in their day to day activities. It would be similar to someone learning calculus to understand psychology. No real need to learn it. Can't you simply get this through your small mind and get by the anglo/franco cultural hatred that in your case is very asymetrical.
"And this, thanks to the english disdain for the french"
No, see the last comment above. No real need for this skill so why would you learn something you don't need. You need english in Montreal Jean, the ROC doesn't need to understand french in Winnipeg. Maybe as a cultural issue or interest of personal development but certainly not from a need in daily life. Read: Not needed... Of course it would be helpful if you don't know how to turn a cereal box 180 degrees.
"And why would that be? North America is not isolated, there are many areas where french is quite useful, and even more so than english."
Where?
"It has the massive advantage of not having you labelled a massive bigoted ignorant redneck that gleefully wallows in his own ignorance"
Excuse me..insults again...surely you can do better than that. Insults are the signia of the bigots you speak off. Could it be that you are the bigot Jean? After all, there are only language laws in your province. n'est pas.
"There is no effort being done to get rid of english (a definite minority language) in Québec"
Oh please, law 101 and similar legislations which have been condemded by the UN. The law is racist and reaks of bigotry. Read the other posts and actual stories where anglos have been refused service at health care facilities on the grounds of linguistics. Look at your comments Jean..whats the seppie saying...101 or the 401 or something to that effect.
"we do not want unhappy people in Québec."
On that note did you actually check the outmigration of young people from Quebec. What, you don't wawant to know. Obviously, there are a lot of unhappy people of both linguistic groups do to you and your likes intolerance.
"Quite so, indeed. This marvelously shows how little you know about Québec"
Careful Jean, you are making generalizations again with no rational or real knowledge. That is a dangerous assumption of an adversary who you should never underestimate. Something like the battle on the plains in Quebec City. :):)
Now go and have a warm bowl of Poutine...I am sure you will feel better until all that grease creates indigestion, which you will no doubt blame on the anglos :):) for something you ate yourself.
He Jean,
That big ugly anglo gorilla is coming to get you..
Run, Jean, Run.
Hugo, I hope you are suing the hell out of them. Don't sue the organization.. too expensive. Sue the INDIVIDUALS!!! Each and every single one of them! And I hope you're able to let the ROC know as well.
As for Naimard and anyone else who boot steps alongside him... Time to Get out of Canada .. mes amis... Just go.. back to Quebec City.. or whereever .. Like I said, I truly want to help you pack! Will even drive you there!!
Nice to see that you don’t include me in your little list; it’s good to see that I really get under your skin…
Cyberbullies? How is that? By refuting your, er… “arguments”???
We have yet to see any example of this.
Popcorn! Popcorn! Popcorn! The way you harp on the Caisse de Dépôt really shows that you don’t have any other straw to grasp at.
Yeah, until it has lost 40 billions, right after the liberal party of Québec (le parti des anglais) has relaxed their rules… Funny, eh…
Why don’t you squarely put the blame where it belongs, on Charest’s liberals, with a mandate from Bay Street to reduce Québec to yet another province???
Yeah, that’s typical liberal.
You’re talking about the liberal party of Québec, which has been in power for more than 5 years now.
Now I get it! You just have been laid-off from some private sector job, but you are pissed that you can’t win a cushy public sector job, so you are looking at an irrelevant reason to explain why you can’t land the job!
Yeah, “good” québécois who know their place and let the english run the show… We know those “oreos”…
Scottish. Scottish blood I have. That’s why the piper makes the little hair in the back of my neck rise. (And Scotland, too, is like Québec: it has a strong sovereignist movement; it has dealt with the english long enough to be fed up with them).
Northern England? You wouldn’t mean Scotland, by any chance???
Well, yes. A good example is that we are going to squander billions of dollars of Québec tax dollars on a big hospital that will only serve the english, because it seems the english think that french hospitals are not good enough for them. Where else in Canada such a fiscal folly is made?
Proof of ethnic cleansing: proportion of french people in Canada in 1867: 50%. 140 years later: less than 25%, thanks to the forced englishization of Manitoba, the closure of french schools in Ontario, the general private sector discrimination against the french, and the immigration that is expected to anglicize, even in Québec.
If that’s not ethnic cleansing, what is?
You got fired from the caisse de dépôt and escorted to the door by security guards???
Could it be that the english have a cultural hangup with government, dating back to the magna carta (which was signed against king Jean Sans Terre – a french king), so they don’t want to do anything with the government???
Bwahahahaha!!! So you got fired. Judging from your condescending pontificating tone, they did not want to work with a non-team player…
Is it useful to discuss further what is clearly a personal issue problem? Because surely if there was cause for wrongful dismissal (racism), it would be easy to prove, no? And you would be debating in front of a judge instead the ramshackle audience of someone else’s blog? (And mostly because you don’t really discuss sub judice things in the public spotlight)…
Ah, sorry, I made a mistake above the Charlewoods (probably also Charlebois after intermarrying also) were serving with the Gloucestershire Regiment (page six
http://Shebbeare.com)
Which ones? Surely the law would have caught-up with the shenanigans you see everywhere???
Just like you blame your professional inadequacy with purported racism???
Well, since the gloves are off, vous êtes un âne bâté, un butor, un ours mal-léché, un mufle, un malotru et un pignouf.
Perhaps it is best left to the blog owner to decide if something is worthy of publication? If he publishes you, he certainly publish me, no? And if he really did find my ideas so unprintable, he certainly would not let me go through, no?
And why should we specially listen to a minority that has a very strong track record of dominating, profiteering, and generally behaving as if the world belongs to them??? Your constant remontrance simply show that you yearn for the time where the english were the undisputed masters, even though they were a tiny minority.
Yes you do! If you simply would blend in and accept that Québec is french (it does not prevent you from being english at all) and that insisting that the english get an unwarranted status, you would be just fine. It is your imperialist instincts (reading about your father’s — or is it your grandfather’s? — memoirs of serving in India clearly shows your imperialist lineage).
Maybe the fact that the english culturally distrust government explains that the english don’t get involved too much in government???
Where did I ever say that the english shall never work in government? It’s the english who culturally don’t want to demean themselves by doing so! And if you did not succeed in getting a job, perhaps you should look at your own shortcomings instead of blaming the majority; the number of english people in the civil service is so insignificant that you guys will never pose a threat to us.
So, how is your lawsuit for breach of contract going? You’re just ranting about your own personal misfortune here.
Sure, here is it: flab! glab! bla! yadda! booo! hooo! gaaah! fuddle! fuddle! duddle! duddle!
Wow, did everyone else hear the violins playing???
Sure, because the english don’t want to learn english.
Opportunities to become english to further minorize the french?
If is not. It is 80% french. That’s not bilingual, that’s overwhelmingly french!
Yes, they exist because we are tolerant. How many french universities are there in Toronto? Or Ottawa, for that matter… (No, U of O is bilingual, because a french-only university would be too hard for the english to swallow).
Yeah, if only we were so nice to the english, they would give nice janitor jobs and they would take great care of us…
Been there, done that.
Ah, well, if you don't want to take my word for it, just listen to other sovereigntists' (converted immigrants to the PQ camp) speak out against victims of repetitive discrimination: http://www.canoe.com/infos/chroniques/josephfacal/archives/2009/03/20090318-112400.html
I mentioned much of this months ago, and I believe all the proof is out there if you listen:
http://www.sqlservercentral.com/blogs/hugo/archive/2009/03/15/weeding-out-racism-in-the-workplace-a-letter-to-government-institutions-in-quebec.aspx?CommentPosted=true
Well, maybe we don’t need to work 130 extra hours perhaps? Maybe because our houses don’t cost as much as elsewhere, maybe? Life is cheaper in Québec; we don’t need to work as much as elsewhere to live properly.
The UN has no legal authority about linguistic policies of Québec. So it is pointless to harp about that; if it actually had any authority, it would have researched the facts more thoroughly before “condemning” us. It’s like asking Colonel Sanders about hamburgers; he is not an authority on hamburgers, so you might as well ask me about quilting.
I don’t care. I don’t care about people who are unhappy with us enough to leave. Québec is not in the business to please everyone.
??? It’s just an article about Montréal ghettoes.
"Well, maybe we don’t need to work 130 extra hours perhaps? Maybe because our houses don’t cost as much as elsewhere, maybe? Life is cheaper in Québec; we don’t need to work as much as elsewhere to live properly."
Might be cheaper for Quebec but not for the rest of the country that conveniently donates over 8.5 Billion a year to prop up your lethargic work ethic.
"The UN has no legal authority about linguistic policies of Québec"
Likely correct but does not change that fact that they find Quebec language laws to be discriminatory, which we all know to be true.
"I don’t care. I don’t care about people who are unhappy with us enough to leave"
Of course not but what about the young french quebecers who are leaving and not likely to return. What does this do for your language war you are waging on the english in Quebec and Canada as a whole.
You are losing both the battle and the war here Jean. You should stop while your still ahead as quite frankly you are increasingly showing your illogic, lack of facts and intenste anglo hatred which clearly clouds you objectivity.
There you have it, again, more proof - 'I don't care, I don't care....leave if you don't like it.' And this guy screams at us that it's a democracy. They have spoken about this on TLMEParle a few times (shameful outmigration levels) - jeez, please show us even more of the bienvenue QCois from the exclusionist crowd. All the same territorial BS a militant sovereigntist can think: me, I, my and myself...no integrity, due to complete lack of understanding or listening to minorities (just like Joseph Facal, link above, even telling repressed minorities to Tasez Vous): The wake of their actions is ethnic cleansing. This has been done by the Maitre-chez-nous crowd over the past generation, and no there's no wacky tabacy involved - just the truth which you cannot handle (pulling out problems from other provinces and their language policies, only to turn us away from QC's concurrent problems), maybe too much nicotine has made your brain limp? I've heard BC bud is pretty good, you might want to go down to Kits for a toke on the beach to de-nastify yourself.
Ah yeah, as usual, a classy act : attacking my family - good job loser, show us all your tricks (from the how to be a failed party songbook)! Ah, right, the nasty imperialists we are - on page 82 given the highest Indian peacetime medal, the Asoka Chakra, by Nerhu's sister, for saving a whole trainload of Hindus fleeing the newly created Pakistan. Must be because we are such nasty Brits, such nasty Anglo-Saxons, to leave India to this day as the largest Democracy in the world, and with a unifying language...b/c ah, right, you'd probably have a thing to say about Indian's taking jobs from Quebeckers too right, Hydro-QC outsourcing (as I've heard so many sovt.s say, and even the ousted VP at the CDP - would proudly say to me how much he 'hated Indians'). Well, it all comes down to following procedures (COBIT/ITIL standards, Indians excel at, and are consistent) at the CDP, guys like you would act above the law and above international standards (ignoring UN recommendations, b/c right, your cack doesn't stink)....and crash every time. More on standards later, like I said, I shall take this into my own hands if the CNT doesn't finish the job. And, another anecdote, Perceval must have been a nasty imperialist too, to support Wilberforce's push for the abolition of slavery, about 40 years ahead of his time. You should learn to think positively, think straight forward, it might get you somewhere, instead of clusterphracking all QCers to the poorhouse by having your sovt. elite squander a generations retirement money (board put in place by Landry and Marios' buddies, not the Liberals, btw one-trick scapegoat of the mandate change doesn't hold up, no matter how many times you write it dumbass).
A Scot, eh? Nope, you're not Scottish enough - just in the same way you reject anyone not part of the Clan, Scots would flatly reject you. Funny how you've espoused the If it Ain't Scottish(insert QC here), it's Crap attitude with respect to the rest of Canada also. Funny that you've also adopted the anglophobic attitude of the fringe Scotch nationalists too, you're so original - not. Well, I happen to have Scotch blood too, the Grahams - way back when there was a right hand man to Wallace even, and I pull out the tartan for special occasions. Sir Lancelot, as you can see in the memoirs, did pretty well for himself working loyally to the crown.
Montreal is a bilingual city, more than half the population speaks both languages (the world knows it's a bilingual city, but you're head is still in the sand). Even if you say that it's 80% French speaking, and only 20% English (which is a seriously wrong figure, more like 60/40) that still doesn't means it's not a bilingual city. Belgium, is officially trilingual, there are only 3% German speaking but with your simplistic 'stamp out the irritating minorities' mindset, that would be only Wallonian French and Flemish (if you can stand power sharing) to you...you often sound like the Vlams block guys who harassed me on the phone in Brussels (overwhelmingly Fr speaking, but traditionally a Flemish capitol) for answering the phone in French. I can just see how much judgement you would pass when someone answers a phone in English first in Montreal etc, even if they're a tourist stop for people from out of town.
Anyway, back to solutions - to open up the govt. workforce to Anglophones and other minorities, we need to have quotas b/c the goons like Naimtard will never accept being belittled by someone from outside of the clan. We're supposed to feel guilty b/c we're too competent? The ousted PVP, and his other mates already shown the door, told me 'that I didn't know what I was talking about' - pretty hilarious, since Microsoft itself keeps nominating me for a SQL Server Most Valuable Player, and SqlServerCentral.com has put 8 of my articles on the front page or weekly newsletters (must be because I'm lacking in confidence so much that I have to push out any threat to my authority, but hey, after being rehired four times I know nothing...).
Ah, regarding hospitals, McGill has always had a small university hospital with bilingual, so why cannot they expand? Ah, right, b/c the goons say so, there's a good reason. BTW, they will serve in Fr gladly, as McGill has been for a long time, again projecting your hatred, but hey, I'll remind of your ignorance everytime.
Well, we only hear about 8.5 billion coming our way, but certainly not about the 12 billion going the other way… If we’re so “expensive”, why does Canada wants so adamantly to keep us in???
Stop and do what, become english? No fucking way.
Well, it’s pretty much the same thing in Canada, no? What does canada has more so it can do it, but we can’t???
Well, that outmigration happens because we are “have-nots”. When you say so, you conveniently forget to mention that this happens while we are WITHIN Canada. Canada is the main cause of have-notism for us; why do you think we want out???
How is that any different from any other country in the world?
(We’re tazing no one here). We will listen to minorities, but if they want something that is bad for the majority (putting english signs = hinting to the immigrants that they don’t need to speak french here), it is only natural that they will not be permitted to do so.
And, pray tell, what is wrong with wanting to control OUR own destiny? It seems that only the english are allowed to do so, in your la-la land.
I leave the above intact so we can see how strange you are.
Meh! It’s you who posted that imperial officer’s biography. You're the one who dragged your family in, and I just pointed out that your family was the hand of a colonial empire. It’s not the person that is (necessarly) bad, but the very idea of an empire that is rotten to it’s very core.
So? If the english had not put their grubby hands on India, and wrecked the social balance that existed there for thousands of years, there would have been no partition, and no Pakistan and Bengladesh and the millions of deaths (and their atomic race).
Yes, “partition”, a favourite word of the english, and a fine illustration of their utter incompetence at statesmanship. Look how well partition has turned out in Ireland, India and Palestine…
Again, it is not the person, but the very idea of empire that is bad.
Another fine illustration of the inability of the english to understand other cultures. India had a civilization that had developped over several millenium, which was completely wrecked by the handful of merchants who corrupted the local potentates. Now, how can there be a democracy when the majority of the population is illiterate? (The british certainly did not bend over backwards to institute universal litteracy programs while they were there, eh?).
Meh. He only was a shrewd economist who had foreseen that renumerated labour was more economically efficient than slavery. You can bet your arse that had the opposite been true, there would be slaves all over the british empire today.
It’s the same thing for child labour; anti child-labour laws were passed at the insistence of industrialists who could not have competed against their competition that had child labour…
The dumbass is the one who makes sweeping comments about a society without understanding that said society. We’re not a poorhouse, we just have a different society that does not put money first and above everything else.
Yup, you said it yourself: he did pretty well for himself… (How about his clan???) Need I say more about what we think of that kind of opportunists???
You make the mistake of assuming that immigrants are english. Since law 101, the immigrants are not expected to become english.
And in Belgium, and Switzerland, you don’t try to speak one language in another linguistic area. Here, you expect to be able to live in english in a french area. This is what’s wrong with Canada, the english expect to be english all over the place (but that’s normal for the most imperialist people on Earth with an innate inability to understand other cultures).
Well, in Switzerland, if the romansch started to demand to be romansch in the german area, the germans would be pretty much up in arms. The french are naturally tolerant: we tolerated for over two centuries those english who insisted on being english in a french country.
You demonstrate yet another time that you don’t understand the differences between Belgium/Switzerland and Canada.
Come back when you do.
Competent english go to the private sector. The incompetent go to politics (because they're not competent enough for the civil service). Yes, that’s an indictment on all english (and crypto-english — read: liberal party of Québec) politicians.
Mickeysoft SQL server. Totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand. My mouth hurts after biting my cheeks to avoid laughing.
Why can’t the english go to french hospitals? Too demeaning? You don’t dare suggest that french hospitals are inferior, don’t you???
LOL.... The only things Jean can come up with are some twisted facts back in 1867.... and that there are no French Universities in Manitoba??? That's typical of the seps.. Amazing isn't it... they're fighting for Francophones in the ROC.... LOL. He fails to mention Ontario has what... 600 French Schools? BC has 3-4 times as many french school as we have English in Quebec..etc.
He avoids the bigotry here - and thinks we'll get off track that way.
The seps have been doing that since the beginning. And succeeded in putting the ROC on the defensive. Those days are over - big time!!
Time for YOU to "GO HOME" Jean. Time for YOU to take the highway!
The problem with Jean and his ilk is that they operate strictly on emotion and their own insecurities, so are incapable of thinking honestly and/or critically. They just swallow the party line, as propounded by the party elite, because thats much easier to do emotionally, rather than risk haveing their comfy little viewpoint shaken and haveing to accept they are wrong.
Hi Beck,
Yes and have you noticed that when Jean says 'we' he means only francophones and the french language. It's like no one else has a claim to this Province. He's a dick.
Yeah, why are there not any french universities in Manitoba?
No, we’re not.
So? The french in Ontario are more evenly spread than the english in Québec who carefully stay within their own little ghettoes, so it’s normal that there would be more french schools there. You can’t bus children 300 miles every day…
The bigotry of the english who demand their very own hospital? Because french hospitals aren’t good enough for them?
I **AM** home.
Are you?
And those in the Tories, Liberals and NDP aren't guilty of that? How else do you explain Parliament being the three-ring circus it is?
"How else do you explain Parliament being the three-ring circus it is?"
BQ
yes...the "hard-core" Libs, PC, NDPers and Blocs do too. But 1)we're talking Quebec not Ottawa
and 2) we're talking about the place of the French language, in Quebec in particular...which means , as it always does, the relaitionship between Anglo, allo, and Francophones......so Marc bringing the Libs, PC, NDP and Parliament (ie Ottawa) into the discussion is just a red-herring.
I will have to concede defeat there: the bigger dick is not me (although I often get raving reviews in that department).
You want to live here and not be bothered to learn french, and want everyone to think like you (money first).
Every country in the world has a less than perfect tolerance for minorities that stubbornly refuse to accept their minority status, who do not integrate fully and try to impose their way of life upon others exactly like you guys are doing right now.
"Every country in the world has a less than perfect tolerance for minorities that stubbornly refuse to accept their minority status, who do not integrate fully and try to impose their way of life upon others exactly like you guys are doing right now."
The difference is we're not a minority. This country was founded by both the English and the French. If you want a history lesson, this country was founded by imperial forces in Europe. It just so happens that England and France wound up here before the Portuguese and Spanish armadas made their way down south. The territorial borders from this country weren't truly formed yet and each country took a claim on specific territories. Wars started between them all and last time I checked, the British defeated the French. Is that historically inaccurate? Because if you look in the history books, the British beat the French on the plains of Abraham. Are you upset by that? Yeah, I would be too if I lost a war dating back thousands of years that most kids don't care about these days in History class.
In a war, there are winners and there are losers. If you wanna talk about kicking people out of a province, then shouldn't the British have kicked all of your butts on a bunch of canoes back to France with your tails tucked between your legs? Yeah, it doesn't sound very nice when it's put in that context but historically that's what the winners do. Now if we skip a few thousand years ahead, there aren't any armies from Europe stationed here and we have a Federation of provinces that each plays a part in this country we call Canada. In Quebec, we have a province that has a large French population, a smaller english population and a mixture of allophones and other minorities. There is no threatening British empire or war between the United States on the horizon. This province is free to speak one of two languages that are both the official languages of Canada.
There is no oppression in Quebec. There are no armies stationed at forts and no fur trade. The french in Quebec have had the freedom to do whatever they want to do. They have a unique culture where they enjoy their own traditions that have not been oppressed or stopped at all by anyone in this country. This province capitalizes on a tourism industry (Just for Laughs, Jazz Festival, Grand Prix when it comes back, UFC) that helps to bring tons of money to this province mainly from the English speaking Americans that Quebecers seem to hate so much. We have a thriving gaming industry in Quebec that is given subsidies that allow many people in Quebec to get jobs and help the economy. This country is so great that even our politicians are so nice that we allow a faction of people (the Bloc Quebecois) inside our parliament with the sole intention of trying to break the country up. In other countries, you would be accused of treason and hanged to death but not in Canada where the people are simply too nice and polite to let such a awful thing happen.
But wait? Living in harmony with others isn't good enough? Being part of something that is bigger than one single province isn't good enough? The needs of the few actually do outweigh the needs of the many? You mean to tell us that a province that works less than most other provinces and has more holidays and contributes less than other provinces deserves more money? I guess hard work doesn't pay off. You work hard and then see most of your money go to somewhere else and you wonder why the rest of Canada gets mad. It's a pretty simple concept. No BS or flipping around words or using history or politics to make excuses. You work hard - you get rewarded. If you don't work hard then don't bother stealing from the rest or penny pinching off the backs of hard working people who deserve the money more than you do. Oh, but that hurt Quebecers feelings now that the rest of Canada is angry. Well, work harder and earn what's yours and the rest of the country won't be as upset.
In Quebec, english would be just as prevalent without stupid language laws. You make it sound like there's a few thousand of us in Quebec. There's lots of us and there would be plenty more if there wasn't fascist laws and ethnic cleansing by French seperatist nazis such as yourself (and as a descendant of Polish people who came to this country after World War 2 - just because you wipe out a bunch of people through fascist laws without killing anyone in the process makes it no different and if saying "please get out or leave" makes you sleep better at night because you did it in a non-violent manner then I have pity on you.) Oh, no. I almost forgot, there was violence like when the FLQ killed a bunch of people and put bombs in mailboxes. I almost forgot about that. You are living in a bilingual country. If you wanna talk about a minority status, then in the country of Canada (which by the way it still is) then I guess you shouldn't stubbornly refuse to learn english as that is the majority language in Canada spoken by most of the people in this country. And, if we use your stupid logic, then if you don't like it then you should jump on a boat back to France rather than to take the highway out of here as you politely put it so nicely before to all those that disagreed with what you said.
Once the Nazis such as yourself are thrown out of this country, then the young people of this province can be free to speak both languages as they please and be able to communicate with one another in both languages which will not only help each other to learn each other's language but will also help us in the business world by being able to communicate freely in more than one language. We can have a La Belle Province right next to a Joe's hamburger stand and there won't be an issue. The language police gestapo will be closed forever and the young intelligent minds of this province can hopefully help to build this province into the cosmopolitain force that it once was before it was taken over by fascists who cared more about their own personal agendas and ideologies rather than worrying about what issues needed to be done to help make this city and this province great again.
Until that day comes, the majority of French and English speaking people in this province will continue to coexist as they have for the last few hundreds of years in relative harmony and worry about more important issues than language. Happy St-Jean Baptiste. I would have celebrated the holiday myself except I don't quite know what I'm celebrating and neither do most of the people who are participating as well. Is it a holiday to celebrate all Quebecers from different nationalities? Is it holiday to celebrate French Culture? Is it a holiday to celebrate just being French. I asked a bunch of people that same question and got back a different answer from each. I'd like to say option A) but after reading about a English band getting cancelled for performing their songs in English then I guess it's not about different nationalities all supporting their province. That's too bad. It's also too bad that when they did perform they got shouted at and heckled by a few bunch of drunken idiots who made an otherwise pleasant day ruined by a bunch of dummies. Happy Canada Day as I didn't get a chance to say it yet. Canada (both English and French) will be front and center in a few months when the majority of Canadians stand proud and tall and sing Oh Canada! when we show the world just how good we are at the Winter Olympics in Vancouver.
(P.S. Jean, don't bother quoting my text or making up dumb arguments because of a specific example you found on wikipedia from 1867. Nobody cares except you.)
Chris: This one's for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Yes, let's keep the focus on QC, because if you want to understand the real source of partition, see page 48 of the memoirs. The Brits were really just watching Nerhu and Jinnah fight it out for almost a decade, with Gandhi trying to mediate, prior to George's fatal decision to split the army, of which he was given no choice in the end. Enough said, and very sad the result and loss of life that nobody wanted. Grampy did all he could to get Hindu's to a safe place, and I'm sure there are other officers you did the best they could in the opposite direction considering the circumstances out of their control -- see more here: http://www.hindu.com/fline/fl2218/stories/20050909001107800.htm
And BTW, you're living in bilingual PROVINCE, within a bilingual COUNTRY of the Common Wealth (not your illusion of a country), obviously all Empires have stains on their shirts, but this one has evolved, is inclusive and is still the wealthiest, safest group of nations on the planet (linked to the fact that democracies rarely attack each other, maybe another underlying factor overlooked by the losers in denial after two 'democratic' referendums, even with the fudging of numbers/ballots). The never surrender attitude, even if it has bled the body of nations white at times to stop Nazis or crazy Kaisers, is something you forget very quickly (often imitate, but cannot replicate), and obviously don't appreciate (typical isolationist sovt.ist buring the candle at both ends). It's twits like you that think only in front of their foot that are ruining this great province (office guerilla war, killing outside investment) and you bring us all shame, if anyone should be told to shut up by Facal it is himself and your camp.
Decisions regarding security of a population, decided by means of having essential services maintained cannot be left in the hands of the majority (hence many FR hospitals outside QC too understandably). There are many examples of this, but the fundamental is clear, QC Francophones in the govt, as soon as a decision falls upon one of your Clanniste types respecting our minority (Charest weeded them out at the top of the CDP for example), the basic communication part involving consulting a minority is overlooked and replaced with bitter revenge, vindication, and resulting in, surprise, surprise again, incessant budget cutting. Today Sherbrooke hospital in the middle of the townships, home to many elderly Anglphones, decided to cut an extremely overworked lone English-speaking health care worker…yeah, trust the QC govt to take care of it's disdained minority very well, by allowing them to die without the dignity of knowing what's wrong with them even in their own language (yes many are care workers bilingual, but no more explicit care is given, more tyranny by means of taxation without representation within govt. institutions, another daily dose of discrimination), in a province their family has lived in for hundreds of years. Denial of any actions, in concurrent QC (!), to squeeze Anglophones out….head in the sand. Next will be the selling off of the land by scared seniors wishing to have the security of English-speaking hospital care they've been paying for(ever) – more of your 'I don't care, they leave out of their own volition' lies. Or is it more of the soverigntists' master plan to lower land value to make it more affordable to take over from the 'evil Anglos' who bought the land for faire market share – your master 'let's make land cheaper' plan (Landry's modèle Québecois?) for your clan by cheating the minority out of it by attrition – all about revenge, and guerilla warfare (lost democratically twice) by violating our right to security, more PQist devious land grabs. No measures against the English speaking peoples of Quebeck, bien sur, je m'en crisse si tu ne comprends pas, la guerre civile se poursuit au bureau, et dans les institutions, aidé par le gouvernement lui-même et sa faction Anglophobe.
As for me being weird, typical intolerant Clan response - b/c of course, thinking differently has to be bad according to such a narrow mind. You should go live somewhere else; I'm sure you'll be a little more critical of 'mon pays' upon your return, if you simply freed your mind.
Still hilarious about the whole 'making money is bad' attitude (b/c someone else should pay for your provincial bankruptcy, or retirement money flight, right?). It's too bad that the responsibility of handling other peoples' money by the former board gang of hypocrites - ah yeah, they didn't love money, no, just tens of millions in bonuses b/c they (friends put in place by militants Landry and Marois) don't care about money, (Naimard's petit people propaganda, while they line their pockets at the top…jeez, who has been duped Jean? They steal your money, and it's the Liberals fault, la faute des Anglais, everyone else but your own sovereigntist buddies ripping YOU off too)....and then nobody's responsibility in the end when the losses were colossal by means of commercial paper (garbage risky investments), no jail time for the thieves. pensionpulse.blogspot.com explains their double-down approach at times, while National Bank was laughing on the other end of the line for the garbage they continuously bought (not listening to anyone, b/c they know much better than the rest of the world - as international voices and standards thrown out the window, just like Naimard demonstrates above) http://www.montrealgazette.com/Business/Caisse+tapes+private+Bachand/1617935/story.html
http://www.montrealgazette.com/Business/Release+those+tapes/1626651/story.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/sphereNews/idUSN3033259820071202?sp=true&view=sphere
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TheGlobeAndMail-Business/~3/191952572/
(sidenote on how to hire people, to Qc govt institutions)
Discrimination in employment practices is prohibited. It is the (insert your favorite exclusionist organization here)'s policy to employ the best possible person regardless of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, social status or physical disability. – HR at the CdDéfauts didn't get the memo I guess, and never has obeyed even their own code of ethics. Several friends who are security guards, who discovered on their own that we're not 'evil Anglos', can attest to the fact they hire mostly those of the Naimard type mentality.
Since you love the personal attacks so much - The point you failed to understand is that rather than admit an Anglo DOES know what they are talking about, hired on contract to manage databases to do just that after all (duh?), the ex-PVP shot himself in the foot (blinded by the emotion of maitre-chez nous pride, as you do frequently) by not only yelling that 'I didn't know what I was talking about', but even being dumb enough to do so in front of several witnesses (in which the CNT validated very easily). Verbal harassment and vexatious behaviour (http://www.cnt.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/pdf/publications/c_0248a.pdf ) for simply doing one's job is ridiculous, but is common here if you oppose the Clan (see Jean attack every line I put up practically, as if in desperation to paint out the truth of the PQist malfeasance over the past generation). But hey, his lack of professionalism is par for the course with militant sovt.s - and no, and b/c I don't take crap from the Clannistes like yourself for obvious competence reasons (motivating to stand up to this, while even the lawyer on the other side is thrown out for lying to the govt. itself). Of course, you still can only do what your buggy code tells you to do - flip it back and say that I'm not competent. Interesting, if I was wrong (and I'm not, see bill C-198), you'd see a good number of people disagreeing with me here, since I have no fear to stand up to your hypocrisy: http://www.sqlservercentral.com/blogs/hugo/archive/2009/02/15/the-importance-of-the-segregation-of-duties-with-respect-to-internal-controls.aspx
But hey, they're not (wonder why, four words: it is the law – c'est la loi : une phrase ta gang d'epais n'a jamais compris), hence a request by Cambridge, UK-based, Simple Talk to expand this into a fully-fledged article instead of a quick blog posting. Surviving as the whistleblower to follow, once the Working Standards Comission finishes its job. Je vous invite, mes amis Québécois de renoncer ce genre de penser dépasser une fois pour toute – nous progressons ensemble en tant qu'égaux et non-pas maitres et esclaves.
I am a Champion for Canada, et le Québec est inclus dans mon pays.
"Marc: This one’s for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin’s_law"
The difference being that I'm not making the comparison as simply an insult when I have nothing else to say.
Office De La Langue Francais= The Gestapo.
bureaucrats and clerical workers who are overworked and fill out papers and snoop out information that is credible on their own terms or that of others based on information given to them by citizens that have the power to tell others what can and can't be done in a specific environment as told to them by their higher ranked members.
If you find the two terms insulting then that's your business but in a so-called free society I shouldn't have people snooping around gathering information based on the terms of what language I use. The Jews would be in trouble if they spoke out their language. I shouldn't be in trouble in a democratic society for what language I choose to use or put if I own a business because a province thinks that they can do and tell the government and the people living in the province how things are supposed to be run.
And for you Marc, regarding managers at the CDP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle