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	<title>Comments on: CDN/NDG bike paths just lipstick on asphalt</title>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/06/02/cdn-ndg-bike-paths-just-lipstick-on-asphalt/comment-page-1/#comment-89553</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last I saw those was in 1985-86 thereabouts.  I had one. But when I went to city hall to get it I found out it was optional.  Found that strange and haven&#039;t seen them since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last I saw those was in 1985-86 thereabouts.  I had one. But when I went to city hall to get it I found out it was optional.  Found that strange and haven't seen them since.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever happenned to the licenses plates we saw on bikes many, many, many years ago? 

I recall inquiring about them some 30 years ago only to get inconclusive answers (and never been bothered since for not having one)…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever happenned to the licenses plates we saw on bikes many, many, many years ago? </p>
<p>I recall inquiring about them some 30 years ago only to get inconclusive answers (and never been bothered since for not having one)…</p>
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		<title>By: morcego</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/06/02/cdn-ndg-bike-paths-just-lipstick-on-asphalt/comment-page-1/#comment-89428</link>
		<dc:creator>morcego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The french hospitals are not good enough for them?&quot;

Indeed they are not. It&#039;s no surprise, they&#039;re not good enough for us frenchies either!

Agree with Fagstein, the fact that they are linked to an english university (and then get referred to as english hospital) doesn&#039;t really make them english hospitals. I went to Royal Vic twice and everything was in french. Everyone I dealt with happened to be francophones. There MUST have been some anglos working there but I didn&#039;t find any (wasn&#039;t looking for them tough).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"The french hospitals are not good enough for them?"</p>
<p>Indeed they are not. It's no surprise, they're not good enough for us frenchies either!</p>
<p>Agree with Fagstein, the fact that they are linked to an english university (and then get referred to as english hospital) doesn't really make them english hospitals. I went to Royal Vic twice and everything was in french. Everyone I dealt with happened to be francophones. There MUST have been some anglos working there but I didn't find any (wasn't looking for them tough).</p>
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		<title>By: morcego</title>
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		<dc:creator>morcego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pay registration &quot;like drivers&quot; to improve municipal infrastructure? As if the registration money we pay as drivers ever goes into municipal services! The money we USED to pay for bike registration went to the city, not the money for car registration. The money you (and cyclists who own cars or have drivers licenses) pay goes to the provincial government (SAAQ mostly). I&#039;ve yet to see a single bike path or city street getting taken care of by the provincial government in Montreal! Those monies pay for the highways...and they&#039;re off-limit to bikes already. (There is a municipal fuel tax in Montreal that funds public transit. So very indirectly, cars pay a little bit for that too, but not for bike infrastructure)

The city pays for street infrastructure in general, and it benefits people in general. As an occasionnal driver, I can appreciate the space freed by cyclists and the purer air. Cars lined bumper-to-bumper is the only outcome of discouraging cycling as a viable mode of transportation.

It&#039;s ironic to see people take for granted that modern roads are a car infrastructure and think that bikes are on the roads almost &quot;by accident&quot;. It&#039;s the bike lobby that got the cities to improve road conditions and provide us with something better than a muddy horse track. THAT paved the way for the automobile decades later. Bikes were there first. Whenever you ride your car on a paved road (or even a crushed stone road), you should remember that you&#039;re using an infrastructure built for bikes first and foremost, not the other way around. Unless you&#039;re ready to go back to horse-drawn carriages and muddy street, you should acknowledge the bicycle and what it gave you. The street is HERS, the car is the intruder if there is one. Oh, and rubber tires and most of early mechanical inventions necessary for the birth of the car comes from cycling too, just so you know.

ps: Chateau Ramezay still has a great exhibit on bicycing in Montréal in the 1800s including its bastard child: the car. The very first Quebec car is on display there (actually built in France and imported). Interesting fact: to get carriages drivers to shut up about it not belonging on city street, the very first Montreal car-driver asked the city for a licence. Since it wasn&#039;t horse-powered he couldn&#039;t get a horse carriage license, but as a self-propelled mechanical device, it got a bike licence. He paid exactly 1$ (like all cyclists of the time) for his &quot;bike&quot; licence. That was the first and last time a car registration paid for city infrastructure and that was over a hundred years ago. The following year the province took over the registration for that vehicule (That licence number is Q1 btw and it was painted on the car itself). For years after that, thousands of cyclists continued to pay the city for their bike licence that paid to improve the quality of roads, both for themselves and that former cyclist turned motorist. 
He never did again however and neither have you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pay registration "like drivers" to improve municipal infrastructure? As if the registration money we pay as drivers ever goes into municipal services! The money we USED to pay for bike registration went to the city, not the money for car registration. The money you (and cyclists who own cars or have drivers licenses) pay goes to the provincial government (SAAQ mostly). I've yet to see a single bike path or city street getting taken care of by the provincial government in Montreal! Those monies pay for the highways...and they're off-limit to bikes already. (There is a municipal fuel tax in Montreal that funds public transit. So very indirectly, cars pay a little bit for that too, but not for bike infrastructure)</p>
<p>The city pays for street infrastructure in general, and it benefits people in general. As an occasionnal driver, I can appreciate the space freed by cyclists and the purer air. Cars lined bumper-to-bumper is the only outcome of discouraging cycling as a viable mode of transportation.</p>
<p>It's ironic to see people take for granted that modern roads are a car infrastructure and think that bikes are on the roads almost "by accident". It's the bike lobby that got the cities to improve road conditions and provide us with something better than a muddy horse track. THAT paved the way for the automobile decades later. Bikes were there first. Whenever you ride your car on a paved road (or even a crushed stone road), you should remember that you're using an infrastructure built for bikes first and foremost, not the other way around. Unless you're ready to go back to horse-drawn carriages and muddy street, you should acknowledge the bicycle and what it gave you. The street is HERS, the car is the intruder if there is one. Oh, and rubber tires and most of early mechanical inventions necessary for the birth of the car comes from cycling too, just so you know.</p>
<p>ps: Chateau Ramezay still has a great exhibit on bicycing in Montréal in the 1800s including its bastard child: the car. The very first Quebec car is on display there (actually built in France and imported). Interesting fact: to get carriages drivers to shut up about it not belonging on city street, the very first Montreal car-driver asked the city for a licence. Since it wasn't horse-powered he couldn't get a horse carriage license, but as a self-propelled mechanical device, it got a bike licence. He paid exactly 1$ (like all cyclists of the time) for his "bike" licence. That was the first and last time a car registration paid for city infrastructure and that was over a hundred years ago. The following year the province took over the registration for that vehicule (That licence number is Q1 btw and it was painted on the car itself). For years after that, thousands of cyclists continued to pay the city for their bike licence that paid to improve the quality of roads, both for themselves and that former cyclist turned motorist.<br />
He never did again however and neither have you.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hospitals here aren&#039;t defined by their ethnicity any more than they&#039;re defined by their language. They all provide services in French, and those in Montreal and other anglophone areas provide services in English, whether they&#039;re associated with English or French universities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hospitals here aren't defined by their ethnicity any more than they're defined by their language. They all provide services in French, and those in Montreal and other anglophone areas provide services in English, whether they're associated with English or French universities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/06/02/cdn-ndg-bike-paths-just-lipstick-on-asphalt/comment-page-1/#comment-81777</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;There aren&#8217;t any English hospitals in Quebec.&lt;/em&gt;
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&#160;Oh! Silly me! Of course!
The St-Mary&#8217;s hospital is lithuanese, the Montr&#233;al General Hospital is Albanian, the Voyal Victoria Hostpital is Peruvian and the Sir Mortimer B. Davis Jewish General Hospital is, well, Jewish.
Sorry to have so misrepresented things. I won&#8217;t do it anymore. My bad.</description>
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<em>There aren&rsquo;t any English hospitals in Quebec.</em>
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<p>&nbsp;Oh! Silly me! Of course!<br />
The St-Mary&rsquo;s hospital is lithuanese, the Montr&eacute;al General Hospital is Albanian, the Voyal Victoria Hostpital is Peruvian and the Sir Mortimer B. Davis Jewish General Hospital is, well, Jewish.<br />
Sorry to have so misrepresented things. I won&rsquo;t do it anymore. My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There aren&#039;t any English hospitals in Quebec.</description>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/06/02/cdn-ndg-bike-paths-just-lipstick-on-asphalt/comment-page-1/#comment-81720</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why the english should have their own hospital. The french hospitals are not good enough for them?

What a waste of perfectly good tax dollars!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't understand why the english should have their own hospital. The french hospitals are not good enough for them?</p>
<p>What a waste of perfectly good tax dollars!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Alain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The western part of the De Maisonneuve path gives me more trouble than the Decarie intersection. The state of the asphalt between Cavendish and the train station is really really bad. And what do joggers and dog-walkers have against using the sidewalk ? When I have to go around them and around the potholes into the zipping traffic, my life is more threatened than when I cross Decarie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The western part of the De Maisonneuve path gives me more trouble than the Decarie intersection. The state of the asphalt between Cavendish and the train station is really really bad. And what do joggers and dog-walkers have against using the sidewalk ? When I have to go around them and around the potholes into the zipping traffic, my life is more threatened than when I cross Decarie.</p>
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		<title>By: Prakash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prakash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To continue Fagstein&#039;s point, the actual driver&#039;s license fee is not enough to cover all the associated expenses of a car.  By your logic, the License fee should be raised significantly, how about 500?  Maybe 1000?    And in terms of wear and tear on the road and actual maintenance expenses, the cars and trucks are responsible for a significant large share.  Bikes on the road, and painting bike lanes, is a miniscule fraction in comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To continue Fagstein's point, the actual driver's license fee is not enough to cover all the associated expenses of a car.  By your logic, the License fee should be raised significantly, how about 500?  Maybe 1000?    And in terms of wear and tear on the road and actual maintenance expenses, the cars and trucks are responsible for a significant large share.  Bikes on the road, and painting bike lanes, is a miniscule fraction in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 21:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love cycling, and I love driving.

I think the day will come when cyclists will have to pay registration fees. I know I had to pay $15 to register my bike in Cornwall back in the early 80&#039;s, and I seem to recall having to do the same in New Brunswick in the 70&#039;s.

Now mind you, those were mere municipal licenses that were mainly used to keep track of stolen bikes, but the precedent has been set long ago.

Motorists need to be more mindful of cyclists when they drive. I have seen so many motorists try to bully cyclists onto the sidewalk, or honk their horn at them when they are already keeping as far to the side as possible.

Cyclists also need to change their attitudes. I know how hard (and tiring) it is to come to full stops at stop signs and red lights, but simply blasting through them is not a realistic option. If bikes are traffic, they must obey traffic laws. If they are not traffic, get them off the public roads.

And I have seen a lot of cyclists insist on using St-Joseph in Lachine, despite the fact that there is a bike trail next to the road. That is just plain inconsiderate, unless they happen to be moving faster than the cars. But considering that there are 20-some stop signs along St-Joseph, I don&#039;t see how any cyclist can remain legal without obstructing traffic. Use the trail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love cycling, and I love driving.</p>
<p>I think the day will come when cyclists will have to pay registration fees. I know I had to pay $15 to register my bike in Cornwall back in the early 80's, and I seem to recall having to do the same in New Brunswick in the 70's.</p>
<p>Now mind you, those were mere municipal licenses that were mainly used to keep track of stolen bikes, but the precedent has been set long ago.</p>
<p>Motorists need to be more mindful of cyclists when they drive. I have seen so many motorists try to bully cyclists onto the sidewalk, or honk their horn at them when they are already keeping as far to the side as possible.</p>
<p>Cyclists also need to change their attitudes. I know how hard (and tiring) it is to come to full stops at stop signs and red lights, but simply blasting through them is not a realistic option. If bikes are traffic, they must obey traffic laws. If they are not traffic, get them off the public roads.</p>
<p>And I have seen a lot of cyclists insist on using St-Joseph in Lachine, despite the fact that there is a bike trail next to the road. That is just plain inconsiderate, unless they happen to be moving faster than the cars. But considering that there are 20-some stop signs along St-Joseph, I don't see how any cyclist can remain legal without obstructing traffic. Use the trail.</p>
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		<title>By: Homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacob, you make some good points.  Though I don&#039;t understand why you think that increase in cycling would have an increase on local business.  Specifically the types of businesses you think are being affected by the &#039;big box&#039; stores.  I think you&#039;re mixing up two very different demographics.

1.  Your typical family of 4 won&#039;t ever be caught doing a weeks worth of groceries  on a bike.
2.  I don&#039;t see anyone biking to Best Buy, or your local mom and pop electronics store.  Buying at TV from a &#039;small retailer&#039; vs. a Big Box store doesn&#039;t make you more likely to bike there.

Re: Mandatory registration.  It also has the same effect on tentative drivers.  But, we need to register cars because we need (believe in, rather) no-fault insurance and we need to make sure that only people who have the proper skills drive , as well as the knowledge of the rules of the road are buying/registering and using cars.  I don&#039;t see why cycling is any different.

If cycling remains a leisure activity, then fine, registration is unnecessary.  But, if you expect 10% cycling share in transport, then we are talking about the same level as motorcycles and last I checked they are registered/insured.

Also, I believe that the concept of increasing cycling will reduce cars on the road is a fallacy.  I can&#039;t say I have numbers to back this one up, but logically, most dwellers of central boroughs, DON&#039;T have cars to begin with.  Putting them on bikes doesn&#039;t reduce the number of cars on the road, it just increases the number of bikes with no additionnal revenue to pay for cycling infrastructure.

Investment in more efficient public transport is far more important than cycling infrastructure at this point in the city&#039;s development.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacob, you make some good points.  Though I don't understand why you think that increase in cycling would have an increase on local business.  Specifically the types of businesses you think are being affected by the 'big box' stores.  I think you're mixing up two very different demographics.</p>
<p>1.  Your typical family of 4 won't ever be caught doing a weeks worth of groceries  on a bike.<br />
2.  I don't see anyone biking to Best Buy, or your local mom and pop electronics store.  Buying at TV from a 'small retailer' vs. a Big Box store doesn't make you more likely to bike there.</p>
<p>Re: Mandatory registration.  It also has the same effect on tentative drivers.  But, we need to register cars because we need (believe in, rather) no-fault insurance and we need to make sure that only people who have the proper skills drive , as well as the knowledge of the rules of the road are buying/registering and using cars.  I don't see why cycling is any different.</p>
<p>If cycling remains a leisure activity, then fine, registration is unnecessary.  But, if you expect 10% cycling share in transport, then we are talking about the same level as motorcycles and last I checked they are registered/insured.</p>
<p>Also, I believe that the concept of increasing cycling will reduce cars on the road is a fallacy.  I can't say I have numbers to back this one up, but logically, most dwellers of central boroughs, DON'T have cars to begin with.  Putting them on bikes doesn't reduce the number of cars on the road, it just increases the number of bikes with no additionnal revenue to pay for cycling infrastructure.</p>
<p>Investment in more efficient public transport is far more important than cycling infrastructure at this point in the city's development.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 23:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a timely debate to be having about cycling. While it&#039;s an &quot;alternative&quot; form of transportation here, proper bicycling facilities (read: NOT bi-directional segregated paths but uni-directional separated lanes on EACH side of two-way streets) and educational campaigns aimed at drivers and cyclists could have impressive results. From the Island of Montreal&#039;s current 1.2% cycling share (although higher in the summer and much higher in central boroughs) I&#039;d say we could reach 10% in ten years. 20 years is a long way off, but I&#039;d be impressed if even a quarter of the middle class could afford to gas up their cars once a month so we may as well get used to biking. 

The impacts on local businesses would be impressive, allowing small retailers to regain some of the ground they lost to the big box behemoth where grocery shopping resembles stocking your bomb shelter in preparation for a nuclear holocaust. 

Mandatory bike registration, licensing and helmet laws have been proven to limit the expansion of cycling to more tentative riders. 

I doubt Montreal will ever have as many people cycling through the winter as you see in Copenhagen, but what they lack in snow they make up for in freezing winter rain blowing off the North Sea into your face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a timely debate to be having about cycling. While it's an "alternative" form of transportation here, proper bicycling facilities (read: NOT bi-directional segregated paths but uni-directional separated lanes on EACH side of two-way streets) and educational campaigns aimed at drivers and cyclists could have impressive results. From the Island of Montreal's current 1.2% cycling share (although higher in the summer and much higher in central boroughs) I'd say we could reach 10% in ten years. 20 years is a long way off, but I'd be impressed if even a quarter of the middle class could afford to gas up their cars once a month so we may as well get used to biking. </p>
<p>The impacts on local businesses would be impressive, allowing small retailers to regain some of the ground they lost to the big box behemoth where grocery shopping resembles stocking your bomb shelter in preparation for a nuclear holocaust. </p>
<p>Mandatory bike registration, licensing and helmet laws have been proven to limit the expansion of cycling to more tentative riders. </p>
<p>I doubt Montreal will ever have as many people cycling through the winter as you see in Copenhagen, but what they lack in snow they make up for in freezing winter rain blowing off the North Sea into your face.</p>
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		<title>By: cc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really liked this post, I use that path a couple times a month and the first time I hit it I was totally confused as to what the hell the city was thinking.  It&#039;s a dangerous situation and a bad intersection.

The Proposed NEW bike paths are not such a bad thing, though including &quot;shared roads&quot; as part of a bike path is just greenwashing.  Some indication as to which route to take to a nearby bike path is good (which is what those little bike and arrow symbols mean to me) but they are not in themselves part of a bike path.

A couple of weeks ago I wanted to do a similar photo-essay about the de-Mainsoneuve path, from around St. Laurent all the way west to past Concordia there was a time that you could not go a two blocks without some construction (of nearby buildings or tunnels or unknown), obstruction, or obstacle either completely blocking the path or making it more dangerous to use than the street.  It&#039;s a bit better now, I think there&#039;s a stretch of three blocks that has no problems.

It&#039;s great to have bike paths, but better to have some that are usable!

PS: the reason I did not take pics is because my camera packed it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really liked this post, I use that path a couple times a month and the first time I hit it I was totally confused as to what the hell the city was thinking.  It's a dangerous situation and a bad intersection.</p>
<p>The Proposed NEW bike paths are not such a bad thing, though including "shared roads" as part of a bike path is just greenwashing.  Some indication as to which route to take to a nearby bike path is good (which is what those little bike and arrow symbols mean to me) but they are not in themselves part of a bike path.</p>
<p>A couple of weeks ago I wanted to do a similar photo-essay about the de-Mainsoneuve path, from around St. Laurent all the way west to past Concordia there was a time that you could not go a two blocks without some construction (of nearby buildings or tunnels or unknown), obstruction, or obstacle either completely blocking the path or making it more dangerous to use than the street.  It's a bit better now, I think there's a stretch of three blocks that has no problems.</p>
<p>It's great to have bike paths, but better to have some that are usable!</p>
<p>PS: the reason I did not take pics is because my camera packed it in.</p>
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		<title>By: James Lawlor</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Lawlor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this talk about bicycles but nothing about pedestrians?
As a pedestrian at this intersection, I’ve nearly been hit by bicycles several times.  I live in St-Raymond district and I wait at the light at the NE corner (your first picture in the article) and then when the lights change, I walk to the Upper Lachine exit (the sidewalk below the left-most traffic light in the first picture) of the intersection.  This means that I have to cross bicycles that want to take De Maisonneuve. 
The good news is that the new MUHC will completely change this intersection.
The latest that I could find about the new layout can be found on page 3 of this file:
http://www.cusm.ca/files/construction/Feuillet_information_en.pdf
Even more reading can be found here:
http://www.cusm.ca/files/construction/Rapport_Mise_jour-Etude_du_CUSM_vfinale_Internet.pdf
You can see that in the new Décarie-De Maisonneuve intersection is a normal 4-way intersection.  Upper Lachine road will be deviated to Crawley (work has started on this already).  
Cyclists should be happy since the existing bicycle path will run along the CP tracks and will pass over the intersection and pass between Vendome metro and the CP tracks before arriving in Westmount at the corner of Ste-Catherine &amp; Claremont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this talk about bicycles but nothing about pedestrians?<br />
As a pedestrian at this intersection, I’ve nearly been hit by bicycles several times.  I live in St-Raymond district and I wait at the light at the NE corner (your first picture in the article) and then when the lights change, I walk to the Upper Lachine exit (the sidewalk below the left-most traffic light in the first picture) of the intersection.  This means that I have to cross bicycles that want to take De Maisonneuve.<br />
The good news is that the new MUHC will completely change this intersection.<br />
The latest that I could find about the new layout can be found on page 3 of this file:<br />
<a href="http://www.cusm.ca/files/construction/Feuillet_information_en.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cusm.ca/files/construction/Feuillet_information_en.pdf</a><br />
Even more reading can be found here:<br />
<a href="http://www.cusm.ca/files/construction/Rapport_Mise_jour-Etude_du_CUSM_vfinale_Internet.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cusm.ca/files/construction/Rapport_Mise_jour-Etude_du_CUSM_vfinale_Internet.pdf</a><br />
You can see that in the new Décarie-De Maisonneuve intersection is a normal 4-way intersection.  Upper Lachine road will be deviated to Crawley (work has started on this already).<br />
Cyclists should be happy since the existing bicycle path will run along the CP tracks and will pass over the intersection and pass between Vendome metro and the CP tracks before arriving in Westmount at the corner of Ste-Catherine &amp; Claremont.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 03:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The intersection of Decarie &amp; De Maisonneuve is a disaster.  It always has been.  I&#039;d say it would have to be re-designed but now with the McGill &quot;super&quot; hospital allegedly* being buiit right around the corner, it remains to be seen what will be done there.
I&#039;m with Homer in that bikes aren&#039;t so great from Dec-Mar.  Tux is right that painting lines doesn&#039;t do all that much but how the downtown bike path should have been done is with removable concrete bollards instead of that permanent median.  Then you can put the parking back for the winter months.

* I say allegedly because it was supposed to have been built in the 90s and I don&#039;t believe it will be built - until I see at least a couple floors up.  But that&#039;s a whole other debate. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intersection of Decarie &amp; De Maisonneuve is a disaster.  It always has been.  I'd say it would have to be re-designed but now with the McGill "super" hospital allegedly* being buiit right around the corner, it remains to be seen what will be done there.<br />
I'm with Homer in that bikes aren't so great from Dec-Mar.  Tux is right that painting lines doesn't do all that much but how the downtown bike path should have been done is with removable concrete bollards instead of that permanent median.  Then you can put the parking back for the winter months.</p>
<p>* I say allegedly because it was supposed to have been built in the 90s and I don't believe it will be built - until I see at least a couple floors up.  But that's a whole other debate. :)</p>
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		<title>By: SMS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you were gonna write lipstick on a pig for a sec</description>
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		<title>By: Dominique J-S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dominique J-S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for turning left onto De Maisonneuve from Decarie heading east, I tried a bunch of different ways of crossing that intersection but finally decided on pretending I was a car and making a left turn from the left lane. The light starts off as flashing green so there&#039;s no threat of oncoming traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for turning left onto De Maisonneuve from Decarie heading east, I tried a bunch of different ways of crossing that intersection but finally decided on pretending I was a car and making a left turn from the left lane. The light starts off as flashing green so there's no threat of oncoming traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed on efficient public transport...

But, &quot;Bikes are the future&quot;? Are you kidding me.  Bikes are an alternative form of transport for all but the most dedicated (read: eccentric).  I love to bike, but let&#039;s be realistic, 4-6 months year bikes are not the ideal form of transport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on efficient public transport...</p>
<p>But, "Bikes are the future"? Are you kidding me.  Bikes are an alternative form of transport for all but the most dedicated (read: eccentric).  I love to bike, but let's be realistic, 4-6 months year bikes are not the ideal form of transport.</p>
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		<title>By: Homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh?  Well, I pay those taxes too.    And yet the SAAQ seems to deem it necessary that I pay MORE.  While I&#039;ll admit that the taxes point might be a bit tenuous, I do think that REGISTRATION is going to become necessary soon enough.  Cyclists CAN be at fault in accidents and should have insurance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh?  Well, I pay those taxes too.    And yet the SAAQ seems to deem it necessary that I pay MORE.  While I'll admit that the taxes point might be a bit tenuous, I do think that REGISTRATION is going to become necessary soon enough.  Cyclists CAN be at fault in accidents and should have insurance...</p>
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