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	<title>Comments on: Irvings&#8217; media monopoly in NB takes a sad step (UPDATED)</title>
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	<description>Can you think of a better name?</description>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/06/07/nb-paper-fires-intern/comment-page-1/#comment-81028</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 04:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this, is anyone still not convinced of the absolute necessity of having  government-owned media???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this, is anyone still not convinced of the absolute necessity of having  government-owned media???</p>
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		<title>By: Horonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/06/07/nb-paper-fires-intern/comment-page-1/#comment-81012</link>
		<dc:creator>Horonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes what CTV &quot;Save Local TV&quot; as news seem harmless.

Nice by line in the St J TJ.

If they had printed it in their editorial or opinion section I wouldn&#039;t have an issue with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes what CTV "Save Local TV" as news seem harmless.</p>
<p>Nice by line in the St J TJ.</p>
<p>If they had printed it in their editorial or opinion section I wouldn't have an issue with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A crowbar would do nothing.  Even a nuclear bomb would hardly make a dent in the Irving&#039;s grasp on the province.  Their influence runs so deep it would take an entire book to explain the extent of the vertical and horizontal integration of businesses and services they own (and it would be impossible for said book to ever be complete considering the notorious secrecy of the Irvings).

A few years ago, a few employees of either the TJ or the Evening Times Globe (Saint John) quit to start an independent alt weekly for Saint John called [here].  Its main purpose was to take on the media empire long held by the Irvings and finally allow another voice.  It was incredibly successful and Saint John became the smallest city in North America with an independent alt weekly.  The paper certainly took on the Irving empire but, for safety sake, were fairly soft on it.  A few years after its initial launch, [here] expanded and set up a sister paper under the same name in Moncton.  Immediately after, the Irvings set up their own weekly which ran at a loss, severely undercutting [here] in advertising costs.  Moncton not only became the smallest city in North America with an alt weekly, but actually had two!  Obviously, [here] couldn&#039;t compete and in a very controversial move, the editor and founder (his name escapes me, I think his first name was Mark) sold the paper to the Irvings with an incredibly lame explaination.  Immediately after the sale, a Fredericton paper was set up and the content was watered down to the point where it was more or less a community bulletin with no real journalism to speak of.  I remember when the paper was sold, my friend had a journalism class with Mark (if that&#039;s his name) at St. Thomas and that week he had to endure a barrage of hellfire from his students for the entire class.  That&#039;s how things work in New Brunswick and Connery61&#039;s comment couldn&#039;t be more on the mark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A crowbar would do nothing.  Even a nuclear bomb would hardly make a dent in the Irving's grasp on the province.  Their influence runs so deep it would take an entire book to explain the extent of the vertical and horizontal integration of businesses and services they own (and it would be impossible for said book to ever be complete considering the notorious secrecy of the Irvings).</p>
<p>A few years ago, a few employees of either the TJ or the Evening Times Globe (Saint John) quit to start an independent alt weekly for Saint John called [here].  Its main purpose was to take on the media empire long held by the Irvings and finally allow another voice.  It was incredibly successful and Saint John became the smallest city in North America with an independent alt weekly.  The paper certainly took on the Irving empire but, for safety sake, were fairly soft on it.  A few years after its initial launch, [here] expanded and set up a sister paper under the same name in Moncton.  Immediately after, the Irvings set up their own weekly which ran at a loss, severely undercutting [here] in advertising costs.  Moncton not only became the smallest city in North America with an alt weekly, but actually had two!  Obviously, [here] couldn't compete and in a very controversial move, the editor and founder (his name escapes me, I think his first name was Mark) sold the paper to the Irvings with an incredibly lame explaination.  Immediately after the sale, a Fredericton paper was set up and the content was watered down to the point where it was more or less a community bulletin with no real journalism to speak of.  I remember when the paper was sold, my friend had a journalism class with Mark (if that's his name) at St. Thomas and that week he had to endure a barrage of hellfire from his students for the entire class.  That's how things work in New Brunswick and Connery61's comment couldn't be more on the mark!</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Josh. I&#039;ve updated the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Josh. I've updated the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. McCann is a friend of the missus. Check out this here story that the T-J ran in response to the pieces on CBC: http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/rss/article/691248

Note that it runs as a news story (it ran on page A3 - always a news page) without a byline and the headline is &quot;CBC runs baseless story with no regard for facts or truth&quot;. Pravda much? Also note this graf: &quot;The story, written by a summer intern named Matt McCann, contained a number of factual errors - the misspelling of university secretary Stephen Strople&#039;s name, his title and the full slate of degrees held by Premier Shawn Graham. In addition, the story did not adequately portray both sides of the story.&quot;

So, a name was misspelled, and they didn&#039;t get the Premier&#039;s degrees right. And there was something else wrong with it too that apparently you readers need not concern yourselves with too much. Just know that there&#039;s another side of the story. That the T-J is not going to tell you about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. McCann is a friend of the missus. Check out this here story that the T-J ran in response to the pieces on CBC: <a href="http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/rss/article/691248" rel="nofollow">http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/rss/article/691248</a></p>
<p>Note that it runs as a news story (it ran on page A3 - always a news page) without a byline and the headline is "CBC runs baseless story with no regard for facts or truth". Pravda much? Also note this graf: "The story, written by a summer intern named Matt McCann, contained a number of factual errors - the misspelling of university secretary Stephen Strople's name, his title and the full slate of degrees held by Premier Shawn Graham. In addition, the story did not adequately portray both sides of the story."</p>
<p>So, a name was misspelled, and they didn't get the Premier's degrees right. And there was something else wrong with it too that apparently you readers need not concern yourselves with too much. Just know that there's another side of the story. That the T-J is not going to tell you about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Connery61</title>
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		<dc:creator>Connery61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nothing new.  I used to work in radio on New Brunswick. We did a comedy schtick once about the Irvings, and had our knuckles rapped pretty good. We were told in no uncertain terms that the Irving Empire was off limits of criticism, parody or even unflattering observations. It&#039;s always been thus and won&#039;t change. Irving owns the mediascape there and need only raise an eyebrow to get their way. 
  Add to that the general nature of New Brunswickers. Empire Loyalists and fanatical bible-thumpers. It&#039;s like they actually compete with each other to see who can be the biggest toadying suck-up. Awe of authority is drilled into them from the start. They are the absolute last people in the free world who would ever rebel against anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nothing new.  I used to work in radio on New Brunswick. We did a comedy schtick once about the Irvings, and had our knuckles rapped pretty good. We were told in no uncertain terms that the Irving Empire was off limits of criticism, parody or even unflattering observations. It's always been thus and won't change. Irving owns the mediascape there and need only raise an eyebrow to get their way.<br />
  Add to that the general nature of New Brunswickers. Empire Loyalists and fanatical bible-thumpers. It's like they actually compete with each other to see who can be the biggest toadying suck-up. Awe of authority is drilled into them from the start. They are the absolute last people in the free world who would ever rebel against anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Guillaume Theoret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guillaume Theoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first I&#039;ve heard of this but do you really think a crowbar will suffice? Sounds like someone needs a serious backhoe at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first I've heard of this but do you really think a crowbar will suffice? Sounds like someone needs a serious backhoe at least.</p>
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		<title>By: princess iveylocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>princess iveylocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Irvings don&#039;t own L&#039;Acadie Nouvelle - maybe add that to your list of exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Irvings don't own L'Acadie Nouvelle - maybe add that to your list of exceptions.</p>
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