Comments on: Fall STM schedules: New buses to Nuns’ Island, airport http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/ Can you think of a better name? Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:36:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jean Naimard http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-92136 Jean Naimard Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:13:21 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-92136 As it happens, the original 198x ish Deux-Montagnes modernization report said about the then current fare collection system (passengers put tickets in fareboxes at some station entrances) that fare evaders could come in the stations through other entrances, but "the fact that other paying passengers look at them strangely is dissuative enough"... :) :) :) Ahhh, the innocent old times... As it happens, the original 198x ish Deux-Montagnes modernization report said about the then current fare collection system (passengers put tickets in fareboxes at some station entrances) that fare evaders could come in the stations through other entrances, but "the fact that other paying passengers look at them strangely is dissuative enough"... :) :) :)

Ahhh, the innocent old times...

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-92110 Fagstein Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:58:24 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-92110 They have a proof of payment and inspection system on commuter trains in Montreal. But there are some significant differences between the commuter trains and the metro. For one, the trains stop less often and give people fewer chances to escape. For another, the commuter trains' clientele tends to be middle-class suburban workers who won't try. They have a proof of payment and inspection system on commuter trains in Montreal. But there are some significant differences between the commuter trains and the metro. For one, the trains stop less often and give people fewer chances to escape. For another, the commuter trains' clientele tends to be middle-class suburban workers who won't try.

]]> By: Enrique http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-92084 Enrique Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:38:12 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-92084 Regarding the Proof of Payment system. This was being done in the Paris metro system years ago, calling them "control points". The Metro security guards there are pretty polite, only ask to see your card/ticket stub, and let you pass. They are usually hidden in tunnels and whatnot, as you are making your way from one end of a station to the other (the metro stations there being considerably bigger than the ones in Montreal). Sure, it could be annoying during rush hour, but I can understand the motivation behind it, as long as those performing these checkpoints are courteous, respectful, and don't powertrip (one can dream) too much in the course of their work. Then again, I drive to work and don't really give a shit about our inefficient transit system. (when are we going to have air conditionned buses and metros for the suit wearing crowd amongst us? What about seats that fit normal sized people in the bus? What about being one time)? I dread the day I have to depend on public transit again. Regarding the Proof of Payment system.

This was being done in the Paris metro system years ago, calling them "control points".
The Metro security guards there are pretty polite, only ask to see your card/ticket stub, and let you pass.

They are usually hidden in tunnels and whatnot, as you are making your way from one end of a station to the
other (the metro stations there being considerably bigger than the ones in Montreal).

Sure, it could be annoying during rush hour, but I can understand the motivation behind it, as long
as those performing these checkpoints are courteous, respectful, and don't powertrip (one can dream) too much
in the course of their work.

Then again, I drive to work and don't really give a shit about our inefficient transit system.
(when are we going to have air conditionned buses and metros for the suit wearing crowd amongst us?
What about seats that fit normal sized people in the bus? What about being one time)?

I dread the day I have to depend on public transit again.

]]> By: Jean Naimard http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91737 Jean Naimard Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:59:40 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91737 Whenever I go to the airport at rush-hour, I, too, take the train; I have considered using the parking shuttle bus, but the 1 km walk to the airport from the train station is not too rebarbative, and it’s somewhat fun to have the planes buzz above your head and as you walk up the ramp to the departure lounge, with a bit of imagination, you can try to recreate <a href="http://imgur.com/IoVBN.jpg" rel="nofollow">the magic of air travel in the 60’s</a>… * * * About open houses, the <a href="http://www.cutaactu.ca/en/home" rel="nofollow">CUTA</a> is holding it’s conference in Montréal this fall, and <a href="http://www.cutaactu.ca/en/trans_expo_2009" rel="nofollow">the STM will be conducting tours of some never-opened facilities</a>. Whenever I go to the airport at rush-hour, I, too, take the train; I have considered using the parking shuttle bus, but the 1 km walk to the airport from the train station is not too rebarbative, and it’s somewhat fun to have the planes buzz above your head and as you walk up the ramp to the departure lounge, with a bit of imagination, you can try to recreate the magic of air travel in the 60’s…
* * *
About open houses, the CUTA is holding it’s conference in Montréal this fall, and the STM will be conducting tours of some never-opened facilities.

]]> By: Benoit http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91723 Benoit Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:27:54 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91723 For now, the quickest way I found to get to the airport by transit is to use the Vaudreuil train to Dorval, walk across Cardinal avenue and follow the short dirt path to the airport's parking, where I hop on the frequent, free parking shuttle - there's one every 10 minutes or so, or better. In all, I only need to walk 200m, and don't depend on the 204 bus (its schedule is never coordinated with the train's. I always end up missing it by a minute or two). Technically I'm sure it's not allowed, but how could they tell if I came from the train station or my parked car anyway? A couple of weeks ago I had to get to the airport at rush hour: in all, it took me 35 minutes to get to the airport from my office downtown office using the train / parking shuttle combo. Here's a map that illustrates my itinerary http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=45.450528,-73.742638&spn=0.003831,0.009624&t=h&z=17&msid=110397704530156282681.000471f8efdaa4d32cf52 For now, the quickest way I found to get to the airport by transit is to use the Vaudreuil train to Dorval, walk across Cardinal avenue and follow the short dirt path to the airport's parking, where I hop on the frequent, free parking shuttle - there's one every 10 minutes or so, or better. In all, I only need to walk 200m, and don't depend on the 204 bus (its schedule is never coordinated with the train's. I always end up missing it by a minute or two). Technically I'm sure it's not allowed, but how could they tell if I came from the train station or my parked car anyway?

A couple of weeks ago I had to get to the airport at rush hour: in all, it took me 35 minutes to get to the airport from my office downtown office using the train / parking shuttle combo.

Here's a map that illustrates my itinerary

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=45.450528,-73.742638&spn=0.003831,0.009624&t=h&z=17&msid=110397704530156282681.000471f8efdaa4d32cf52

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91661 Fagstein Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:31:55 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91661 Bell is shouldering some of the costs for these new services. But Bell employees are paying for transit just like the rest of us. Bell is shouldering some of the costs for these new services. But Bell employees are paying for transit just like the rest of us.

]]> By: Des http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91656 Des Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:33:01 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91656 Hope that Bell's picking up the tab for the bus that's now needed to get their employees to work. Hope that Bell's picking up the tab for the bus that's now needed to get their employees to work.

]]> By: Shawn http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91635 Shawn Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:13:51 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91635 That's great. Of course, it should have happened years ago and there should be a constant shuttling between the bus and rail terminus and the adjacent airport, but that would require common sense. That's great. Of course, it should have happened years ago and there should be a constant shuttling between the bus and rail terminus and the adjacent airport, but that would require common sense.

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91633 Fagstein Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:11:22 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91633 Yes, the 209 goes through Dorval to the bus terminus and then to the airport. The airport becomes the new terminus, but the rest of the route is unchanged. Yes, the 209 goes through Dorval to the bus terminus and then to the airport. The airport becomes the new terminus, but the rest of the route is unchanged.

]]> By: Maria Gatti http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/08/24/stm-21-209-buses/comment-page-1/#comment-91621 Maria Gatti Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:46:26 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=6679#comment-91621 Will the 209 des Sources bus to the airport also make a stop at the bus terminus in Dorval? The rare buses to the airport are also a problem for us cheapos who travel to the airport by bus (including skint travellers but also people who work at the airport). During the extended rush hour, the easiest way for Steve or for me is the bus parallel to the 40 that has a stop just outside the FTQ complex at Crémazie métro. Will the 209 des Sources bus to the airport also make a stop at the bus terminus in Dorval? The rare buses to the airport are also a problem for us cheapos who travel to the airport by bus (including skint travellers but also people who work at the airport). During the extended rush hour, the easiest way for Steve or for me is the bus parallel to the 40 that has a stop just outside the FTQ complex at Crémazie métro.

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