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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94518</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 21:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I&#039;m on the fence on the Turcot-Interchange project proposed by the Ministry of Transport...&quot;

On the fence?  Is it comfortable up there?

Come on, Fagstein, everyone and their sister is against this project.  All three municipal parties, the Department of Public Health, neighbourhood residents, environmentalists...the only ones in favor are the Chamber of Commerce and the Trucker&#039;s association.

So come out in favor, come out against, whatever you feel is right.

But take a stand, please.  You stay up too long on that fence, your butt&#039;s gonna get sore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"I'm on the fence on the Turcot-Interchange project proposed by the Ministry of Transport..."</p>
<p>On the fence?  Is it comfortable up there?</p>
<p>Come on, Fagstein, everyone and their sister is against this project.  All three municipal parties, the Department of Public Health, neighbourhood residents, environmentalists...the only ones in favor are the Chamber of Commerce and the Trucker's association.</p>
<p>So come out in favor, come out against, whatever you feel is right.</p>
<p>But take a stand, please.  You stay up too long on that fence, your butt's gonna get sore.</p>
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		<title>By: corinthian rick</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94471</link>
		<dc:creator>corinthian rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The lesson in all of this is : never hold a meeting in a space you can&#039;t fill.</description>
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		<title>By: No Deli</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94395</link>
		<dc:creator>No Deli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could make the case that the &lt;i&gt;original&lt;/i&gt; Villanueva incident wouldn&#039;t have happened if otherwise unoccupied officers didn&#039;t busy themselves with such crucial tasks as breaking up dice games. 

Speculation aside, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Fredy_Villanueva#.C3.89meutes_de_Montr.C3.A9al-Nord&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;5-to-1 cop-to-civilian ratio&lt;/a&gt; strikes you as inadequate? Then the force really is doing something wrong. Obviously, standing around like totem poles and/or pursuing petty crimes is not a good model for policing when the pressure turns on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could make the case that the <i>original</i> Villanueva incident wouldn't have happened if otherwise unoccupied officers didn't busy themselves with such crucial tasks as breaking up dice games. </p>
<p>Speculation aside, a <a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Fredy_Villanueva#.C3.89meutes_de_Montr.C3.A9al-Nord" rel="nofollow">5-to-1 cop-to-civilian ratio</a> strikes you as inadequate? Then the force really is doing something wrong. Obviously, standing around like totem poles and/or pursuing petty crimes is not a good model for policing when the pressure turns on.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94372</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He travelled there on his bike.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Prince</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94349</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the organisers, I of course have to weigh in! (So that was you, Fagstein! masquerading as an MTQ spy! I love it!)

The &quot;flash&quot; part of the flash mob was singing &quot;Ring Around the Rosie&quot; and dropping on the ground. This song, some traditions say, including &quot;The Annotated Mother Goose&quot;, has its origins in the Great Plague (see the wiki entry on this concept). And we stayed inside 10 minutes...give us that! how many political demos manage that?

See this little Youtuber (skip the blah-blah and cut to the 3 minute movie): http://tinyurl.com/n9vren 

I totally agree with your basic thesis, that the flash mob is dead. You are right.

But it&#039;s bastard children are awe-fully fun. I like to think the bastard offspring of Burning Man and &quot;the Interwebs&quot;. 

Perhaps we need a new name for them: got any ideas?

(PS flattered that you came for a visit!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the organisers, I of course have to weigh in! (So that was you, Fagstein! masquerading as an MTQ spy! I love it!)</p>
<p>The "flash" part of the flash mob was singing "Ring Around the Rosie" and dropping on the ground. This song, some traditions say, including "The Annotated Mother Goose", has its origins in the Great Plague (see the wiki entry on this concept). And we stayed inside 10 minutes...give us that! how many political demos manage that?</p>
<p>See this little Youtuber (skip the blah-blah and cut to the 3 minute movie): <a href="http://tinyurl.com/n9vren" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/n9vren</a> </p>
<p>I totally agree with your basic thesis, that the flash mob is dead. You are right.</p>
<p>But it's bastard children are awe-fully fun. I like to think the bastard offspring of Burning Man and "the Interwebs". </p>
<p>Perhaps we need a new name for them: got any ideas?</p>
<p>(PS flattered that you came for a visit!)</p>
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		<title>By: corinthian rick</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94340</link>
		<dc:creator>corinthian rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder if Pete McQueen has a car?</description>
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		<title>By: Neath</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94316</link>
		<dc:creator>Neath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 06:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yea....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yea....</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94307</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 04:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fredy Villanueva riot is another example.</description>
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		<title>By: No Deli</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94246</link>
		<dc:creator>No Deli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&lt;i&gt;Better have them send too many than too few.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Well, clearly our fundamental philosophies differ on this, so I won&#039;t take you any further off topic. But I&#039;d love to know (with the exception of post-hockey-game rioting) what &quot;out of control&quot; events you have in mind?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"<i>Better have them send too many than too few.</i>"</p>
<p>Well, clearly our fundamental philosophies differ on this, so I won't take you any further off topic. But I'd love to know (with the exception of post-hockey-game rioting) what "out of control" events you have in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94238</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On the other hand, what else could you call it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A protest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On the other hand, what else could you call it?</p></blockquote>
<p>A protest?</p>
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		<title>By: Turcot Flash &#171; Walking Turcot Yards</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94235</link>
		<dc:creator>Turcot Flash &#171; Walking Turcot Yards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] than that Montreal!       Stay Tuned At Turcot Flash And there is a review with pictures over at Fagstein Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)FLASHY [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Neath</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94233</link>
		<dc:creator>Neath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t notice you there. I think we do need to pump up the issues where climate change is a factor. Whether anyone sees it or not, Turcot will play a very strong role in determining how the Trams, Trolleys, and Metros, Oh My! situation will play out in Montreal. Of course my &quot;Turcot&quot; is slightly expanded as it includes, among other things, the &quot;Superhospital&quot; on the glen and the downtown to airport train, two ghost projects gathering dust as costs inevitably soar. We spend a fortune on consultations and various research that occasionally become irrelevant when the global context is factored in.

Anyway, yea, it seems that &quot;flash mob&quot; seems to have entered the language as a generic term which is somehow  unsatisfying as it tends to blend the well intended efforts of citizens on local or global issues with marketers who just want to sell jeans. On the other hand, what else could you call it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't notice you there. I think we do need to pump up the issues where climate change is a factor. Whether anyone sees it or not, Turcot will play a very strong role in determining how the Trams, Trolleys, and Metros, Oh My! situation will play out in Montreal. Of course my "Turcot" is slightly expanded as it includes, among other things, the "Superhospital" on the glen and the downtown to airport train, two ghost projects gathering dust as costs inevitably soar. We spend a fortune on consultations and various research that occasionally become irrelevant when the global context is factored in.</p>
<p>Anyway, yea, it seems that "flash mob" seems to have entered the language as a generic term which is somehow  unsatisfying as it tends to blend the well intended efforts of citizens on local or global issues with marketers who just want to sell jeans. On the other hand, what else could you call it?</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/09/22/flash-mob-is-the-new-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-94227</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Are the lower echelons of Montreal’s police force completely overstaffed, or what?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. They were overstaffed for this particular protest, but the police have been caught with their pants down too many times when an event got too big for them to control. Better have them send too many than too few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Are the lower echelons of Montreal’s police force completely overstaffed, or what?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. They were overstaffed for this particular protest, but the police have been caught with their pants down too many times when an event got too big for them to control. Better have them send too many than too few.</p>
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		<title>By: No Deli</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Deli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since you seem to have summarized my own points re: this irritating trend towards protest-rebranding, I&#039;d like to ask an obvious, rhetorical question - 

Are the lower echelons of Montreal&#039;s police force completely overstaffed, or what? Can we save a couple loonies and lay these fine loafers off? Surely some of them can go into a &lt;i&gt;useful&lt;/i&gt; civic service: Firefighter, paramedic, English interpretation for mayoral candidates, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you seem to have summarized my own points re: this irritating trend towards protest-rebranding, I'd like to ask an obvious, rhetorical question - </p>
<p>Are the lower echelons of Montreal's police force completely overstaffed, or what? Can we save a couple loonies and lay these fine loafers off? Surely some of them can go into a <i>useful</i> civic service: Firefighter, paramedic, English interpretation for mayoral candidates, etc.</p>
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