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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98958</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Chris, great points. I&#039;m still not voting for Bergeron 
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I kind of hope Bergeron does win, just to see what would happen. I fear the worst but who knows?&lt;/em&gt;
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Well, if you &#8220;kinda&#8221;HOPE he wins, why don&#039;t you do your little bit and vote for him?
What would happen? Well, a big shake-up on the order of when Jean Dor&#233; came to power 25 years ago. And what would be worse? Wall-to-wall streetcars or wall-to-wall cars (if O&#8217;Sullivan would win)???</description>
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<em>Chris, great points. I'm still not voting for Bergeron<br />
&hellip;<br />
I kind of hope Bergeron does win, just to see what would happen. I fear the worst but who knows?</em>
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<p>Well, if you &ldquo;kinda&rdquo;HOPE he wins, why don't you do your little bit and vote for him?<br />
What would happen? Well, a big shake-up on the order of when Jean Dor&eacute; came to power 25 years ago. And what would be worse? Wall-to-wall streetcars or wall-to-wall cars (if O&rsquo;Sullivan would win)???</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, great points. I&#039;m still not voting for Bergeron but yes: the conspiracy theorists are just Johnny-come-latelies in the loopy belief department. I kind of hope Bergeron does win, just to see what would happen. I fear the worst but who knows? 

I DO think the high advance polling is an indication that &lt;i&gt;something&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; in the offing. Kate in her always excellent mtlweblog wondered what these figures could portent. Anyone care to hazard a guess? Perhaps it was just that we had nice weather yesterday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, great points. I'm still not voting for Bergeron but yes: the conspiracy theorists are just Johnny-come-latelies in the loopy belief department. I kind of hope Bergeron does win, just to see what would happen. I fear the worst but who knows? </p>
<p>I DO think the high advance polling is an indication that <i>something's</i> in the offing. Kate in her always excellent mtlweblog wondered what these figures could portent. Anyone care to hazard a guess? Perhaps it was just that we had nice weather yesterday...</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“You don’t need to be crazy to do this job, but it sure helps!!!”… :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You don’t need to be crazy to do this job, but it sure helps!!!”… :)</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Actually, if you&#039;re not at least a bit crazy, you wouldn&#039;t be running for mayor of Montreal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There we go.  Something we agree on. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Actually, if you're not at least a bit crazy, you wouldn't be running for mayor of Montreal.</p></blockquote>
<p>There we go.  Something we agree on. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn and Marc: you seem almost obsessed with this whole Bergeron-9/11 thing.  I think there are a few problems with your reasoning though:

1. Believing a conspiracy theory doesn&#039;t automatically make someone a nutjob.  Conspiracy theories aren&#039;t always cooked up by tin-foil hat wearing nerds in their parent&#039;s basements.  Sometimes conspiracy theories, even outlandish ones, actually end up being proven true or at least partially true many years later (usually after secret documents have been declassified) making what once seemed impossible or crazy at one time true.  Many of the claims made by the &quot;9/11 truthers&quot; aren&#039;t so ridiculous if you look at what other government administrations and organisations have done in the past (MKULTRA for a local example).

2. Marc says that Bergeron&#039;s beliefs concerning 9/11 and the moon landing reveal a lack of critical thinking.  I might be inclined to believe that it would suggest MORE critical thinking.  At the very least, he&#039;s willing to look beyond the official story and question what we&#039;re told is true by those in authority (media, government, etc.).  If he believes that these conspiracy theories are absolutely true, that would put him pretty much down to the level of those who believe that the official story is always absolutely true.

3. Elected officials have believed much crazier things, for example, that some sort of omnipotent power created the universe in 7 days, flooded the earth in 40, and had one man and his family collect every animal on earth and put them on a boat for the duration of the flood.  People who believe this also believe that this god&#039;s son was born to a virgin and went around turning water into wine, stones into bread, and could heal the blind and handicapped by simply touching their foreheads.  Indeed Shawn admitted earlier that he plans on voting for someone who not only believes this, but for someone who built a church where these beliefs can be further propagated in St-Hyppolite 13 years ago (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tremblay+mission+serve/2053034/story.html).  If you don&#039;t think believing that is crazier than the conspiracy theories, keep in mind that the Bergeron&#039;s conspiracy theories are based on at least a bit of scientific research (however dubious it may be), whereas Tremblay&#039;s beliefs are based on a single book, written 2000 years ago.

Perhaps they&#039;re all nutjobs.  Actually, if you&#039;re not at least a bit crazy, you wouldn&#039;t be running for mayor of Montreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn and Marc: you seem almost obsessed with this whole Bergeron-9/11 thing.  I think there are a few problems with your reasoning though:</p>
<p>1. Believing a conspiracy theory doesn't automatically make someone a nutjob.  Conspiracy theories aren't always cooked up by tin-foil hat wearing nerds in their parent's basements.  Sometimes conspiracy theories, even outlandish ones, actually end up being proven true or at least partially true many years later (usually after secret documents have been declassified) making what once seemed impossible or crazy at one time true.  Many of the claims made by the "9/11 truthers" aren't so ridiculous if you look at what other government administrations and organisations have done in the past (MKULTRA for a local example).</p>
<p>2. Marc says that Bergeron's beliefs concerning 9/11 and the moon landing reveal a lack of critical thinking.  I might be inclined to believe that it would suggest MORE critical thinking.  At the very least, he's willing to look beyond the official story and question what we're told is true by those in authority (media, government, etc.).  If he believes that these conspiracy theories are absolutely true, that would put him pretty much down to the level of those who believe that the official story is always absolutely true.</p>
<p>3. Elected officials have believed much crazier things, for example, that some sort of omnipotent power created the universe in 7 days, flooded the earth in 40, and had one man and his family collect every animal on earth and put them on a boat for the duration of the flood.  People who believe this also believe that this god's son was born to a virgin and went around turning water into wine, stones into bread, and could heal the blind and handicapped by simply touching their foreheads.  Indeed Shawn admitted earlier that he plans on voting for someone who not only believes this, but for someone who built a church where these beliefs can be further propagated in St-Hyppolite 13 years ago (<a href="http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tremblay+mission+serve/2053034/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Tremblay+mission+serve/2053034/story.html</a>).  If you don't think believing that is crazier than the conspiracy theories, keep in mind that the Bergeron's conspiracy theories are based on at least a bit of scientific research (however dubious it may be), whereas Tremblay's beliefs are based on a single book, written 2000 years ago.</p>
<p>Perhaps they're all nutjobs.  Actually, if you're not at least a bit crazy, you wouldn't be running for mayor of Montreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Gatti</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98805</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Gatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn, I will reiterate. I strongly disagree with 9/11 Truther stuff (à la Fisk - you can look up Fisk&#039;s retort to that easily). His statement may have been callous to the New Yorkers who lost loved ones - a good friend of mine went to the WTC several times a week for his work, and I was heartsick until I discovered he was alive and well. But it didn&#039;t use the enormous loss of life as a flimsy pretext for waging war on people in Iraq who had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks or Al Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was a dictator, but a secular one, and an enemy of the Muslim type of fundies). 

Not one leader, journalist or other pundit has had to backtrack or apologise for insinuating that there was some link between Saddam and Osama, or that Saddam had &quot;weapons of mass destruction&quot;, thereby supporting the slaughter of far more innocent people than those murdered in NYC. I do hope you don&#039;t think the lives of New Yorkers are worth more than the lives of Baghdadis. 

I dunno. I think there is some hubris involved. But I voted Projet Montréal despite that, as there are far more important issues such as bringing in more public and active transport and reducing the place of the car. We really have to stop destroying the world, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn, I will reiterate. I strongly disagree with 9/11 Truther stuff (à la Fisk - you can look up Fisk's retort to that easily). His statement may have been callous to the New Yorkers who lost loved ones - a good friend of mine went to the WTC several times a week for his work, and I was heartsick until I discovered he was alive and well. But it didn't use the enormous loss of life as a flimsy pretext for waging war on people in Iraq who had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks or Al Qaeda (Saddam Hussein was a dictator, but a secular one, and an enemy of the Muslim type of fundies). </p>
<p>Not one leader, journalist or other pundit has had to backtrack or apologise for insinuating that there was some link between Saddam and Osama, or that Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction", thereby supporting the slaughter of far more innocent people than those murdered in NYC. I do hope you don't think the lives of New Yorkers are worth more than the lives of Baghdadis. </p>
<p>I dunno. I think there is some hubris involved. But I voted Projet Montréal despite that, as there are far more important issues such as bringing in more public and active transport and reducing the place of the car. We really have to stop destroying the world, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, it is quite concerning, because the Mayor of Montréal plays an extremely crucial role in preventing future terror attacks against the heartland of America.

If some nutter would land the job, this would seriously jeoparize the stability of our civilization, and endanger the equilibrium of the spatio-temporal continuum.

Yeah, better vote for the better man, and George W. Bush is the man for the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, it is quite concerning, because the Mayor of Montréal plays an extremely crucial role in preventing future terror attacks against the heartland of America.</p>
<p>If some nutter would land the job, this would seriously jeoparize the stability of our civilization, and endanger the equilibrium of the spatio-temporal continuum.</p>
<p>Yeah, better vote for the better man, and George W. Bush is the man for the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I agree there. I&#039;m not enthused about voting for Tremblay, either.
As for downplaying the nutter conspiracy theory stuff, he doesn&#039;t even seem to be doing that, according to the Union Montreal press release, anyway:
http://www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/06/c4507.html
The most damaging paragraph was translated as Bergeron saying:
&quot;Regarding the two other planes that crashed, one at the Pentagon in Washington and the other in a field near Pittsburgh, Pensylvania, we enter into what I refer to as a macabre farce. Everyone knows that that in the event of a plane crash, regardless of the circumstance in which it occurs, there is an abundance of debris that is produced. I personally don&#039;t believe that airplanes weighing 60 tonnes could simply vanish. It might be that what we witnessed on September 11th 2001 was a simple act of state banditry of titanic proportions.&quot;
When given a chance to back off this by La Presse, he is quoted as stating:
&quot;I am damn proud of that paragraph&quot; 
Really, he&#039;s &lt;i&gt;damn proud&lt;/i&gt; of that? It&#039;s a statement bordering on the obscene, given the enormous loss of life, and the fact that the entire city of New York -- and the world -- watched it unfold, before our eyes. 
I ask his supporters, what is he trying to prove? Why won&#039;t he back off such bizarre statements? Is it simply his own hubris that he cannot be wrong? 
Or if you think that he has been misquoted in the above example, please provide your own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I agree there. I'm not enthused about voting for Tremblay, either.<br />
As for downplaying the nutter conspiracy theory stuff, he doesn't even seem to be doing that, according to the Union Montreal press release, anyway:<br />
<a href="http://www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/06/c4507.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/October2009/06/c4507.html</a><br />
The most damaging paragraph was translated as Bergeron saying:<br />
"Regarding the two other planes that crashed, one at the Pentagon in Washington and the other in a field near Pittsburgh, Pensylvania, we enter into what I refer to as a macabre farce. Everyone knows that that in the event of a plane crash, regardless of the circumstance in which it occurs, there is an abundance of debris that is produced. I personally don't believe that airplanes weighing 60 tonnes could simply vanish. It might be that what we witnessed on September 11th 2001 was a simple act of state banditry of titanic proportions."<br />
When given a chance to back off this by La Presse, he is quoted as stating:<br />
"I am damn proud of that paragraph"<br />
Really, he's <i>damn proud</i> of that? It's a statement bordering on the obscene, given the enormous loss of life, and the fact that the entire city of New York -- and the world -- watched it unfold, before our eyes.<br />
I ask his supporters, what is he trying to prove? Why won't he back off such bizarre statements? Is it simply his own hubris that he cannot be wrong?<br />
Or if you think that he has been misquoted in the above example, please provide your own.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he truly didn&#039;t believe in conspiracy theories, he would stand up and outright deny it - but he hasn&#039;t.  He downplays it, but that&#039;s all.  A PhD is certainly a welcome asset but doesn&#039;t automatically qualify you.  Henry Aubin had an interesting idea yesterday in that none of the candidates are worth our votes (something I mentioned earlier) and that the election should be cancelled and the city placed under trusteeship.  The system is rotten to the core and part of me agreed when I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he truly didn't believe in conspiracy theories, he would stand up and outright deny it - but he hasn't.  He downplays it, but that's all.  A PhD is certainly a welcome asset but doesn't automatically qualify you.  Henry Aubin had an interesting idea yesterday in that none of the candidates are worth our votes (something I mentioned earlier) and that the election should be cancelled and the city placed under trusteeship.  The system is rotten to the core and part of me agreed when I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kakei Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kakei Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just like season 4 of HBO&#039;s The Wire.</description>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98629</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admittedly, I haven&#039;t read his books. And I accept the fact that he has a body of academic work that people here find impressive and persuasive. But feet-on-your-ground common sense is also needed at city hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admittedly, I haven't read his books. And I accept the fact that he has a body of academic work that people here find impressive and persuasive. But feet-on-your-ground common sense is also needed at city hall.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say that people are willing to overlook the crazy stuff with Bergeron because they like some of his plans and dislike his opponents so strongly. But running a major city doesn&#039;t take a PhD and it isn&#039;t academia. I have some letters after my name, too; many of us do. But I wouldn&#039;t expect anyone to vote for me based on that. I think I&#039;d need, at the very least, to demonstrate that I was mentally sound and stable. Seems to me that Bergeron has gone out of his way to assert the &lt;i&gt;opposite&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd say that people are willing to overlook the crazy stuff with Bergeron because they like some of his plans and dislike his opponents so strongly. But running a major city doesn't take a PhD and it isn't academia. I have some letters after my name, too; many of us do. But I wouldn't expect anyone to vote for me based on that. I think I'd need, at the very least, to demonstrate that I was mentally sound and stable. Seems to me that Bergeron has gone out of his way to assert the <i>opposite</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Gatti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Gatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise Harel was born in 1946. She is 63 - hardly terribly old for a mayor. Gérald Tremblay was born in 1942 and Richard Bergeron in 1955. I&#039;m of around Bergeron&#039;s vintage and think he looks very old for some reason. 

Harel has snow-white hair now which she no longer colours, but also has beautiful skin. I&#039;m not voting for her party, though it has nothing to do with her age or her poor command of spoken English.  

Fagstein, 9/11 conspiracy theorists, agreed , not the best example of critical reasoning (Robert Fisk, no worshipper of any established order, did a great number on them) but neither were all the leaders who fell in with the line about Saddam Hussein having &quot;weapons of mass destruction&quot;. And unlike the truther conspiracy theories, which didn&#039;t really hurt anyone, those lies were the pretext for unleashing war that has killed countless thousands of people, whether Iraqis or US and British troops. 

None of the leaders or pundits who fell for that pile of bullshit have had to retract it as of yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise Harel was born in 1946. She is 63 - hardly terribly old for a mayor. Gérald Tremblay was born in 1942 and Richard Bergeron in 1955. I'm of around Bergeron's vintage and think he looks very old for some reason. </p>
<p>Harel has snow-white hair now which she no longer colours, but also has beautiful skin. I'm not voting for her party, though it has nothing to do with her age or her poor command of spoken English.  </p>
<p>Fagstein, 9/11 conspiracy theorists, agreed , not the best example of critical reasoning (Robert Fisk, no worshipper of any established order, did a great number on them) but neither were all the leaders who fell in with the line about Saddam Hussein having "weapons of mass destruction". And unlike the truther conspiracy theories, which didn't really hurt anyone, those lies were the pretext for unleashing war that has killed countless thousands of people, whether Iraqis or US and British troops. </p>
<p>None of the leaders or pundits who fell for that pile of bullshit have had to retract it as of yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98607</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Shouldn&#039;t the PQ have been eager, willing and, with a majority government, able to make all these changes so that, when the Liberals did back in in &#039;85 and &#039;03, these corruptions scandals would never happen again?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
But they did. The PQ passed the political financing law that prohibits croporate donations; the law applies to municipal elections as well.</description>
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Shouldn't the PQ have been eager, willing and, with a majority government, able to make all these changes so that, when the Liberals did back in in '85 and '03, these corruptions scandals would never happen again?
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<p>But they did. The PQ passed the political financing law that prohibits croporate donations; the law applies to municipal elections as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But how does this all work with the party system? Can, for example, the city mayor be elected from party A, but all other elected positions be from party B? (ie, since we vote directly for the mayor, he/she doesn&#039;t need a majority of council seats or borough mayors or something like that?) &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes. Think of it like the U.S. government, where the president and Congress are elected separately. They can be from the same party or from different ones. It doesn&#039;t usually happen in municipal elections (people tend to vote for the same party for mayor and for council), but it could, particularly in an environment such as this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But how does this all work with the party system? Can, for example, the city mayor be elected from party A, but all other elected positions be from party B? (ie, since we vote directly for the mayor, he/she doesn't need a majority of council seats or borough mayors or something like that?) </p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. Think of it like the U.S. government, where the president and Congress are elected separately. They can be from the same party or from different ones. It doesn't usually happen in municipal elections (people tend to vote for the same party for mayor and for council), but it could, particularly in an environment such as this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, and comments. Can anyone help clarify the election process for me? As a new-comer to Montreal (3 years ago) the system here is still confusing... I&#039;ve been reading the City of Montreal&#039;s election website, I know who I&#039;m voting for (In my case, I live in Mile End and vote for - city mayor, borough mayor, city councillor of your electoral district, borough councillor of your electoral district).

But how does this all work with the party system? Can, for example, the city mayor be elected from party A, but all other elected positions be from party B? (ie, since we vote directly for the mayor, he/she doesn&#039;t need a majority of council seats or borough mayors or something like that?) 

Why do we have both borough and city councillor&#039;s for every district? Shouldn&#039;t we have borough councillors for more local issues, who are under the borough mayor, and all the borough mayors from across Montreal represent their boroughs in the context of the city mayor?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, and comments. Can anyone help clarify the election process for me? As a new-comer to Montreal (3 years ago) the system here is still confusing... I've been reading the City of Montreal's election website, I know who I'm voting for (In my case, I live in Mile End and vote for - city mayor, borough mayor, city councillor of your electoral district, borough councillor of your electoral district).</p>
<p>But how does this all work with the party system? Can, for example, the city mayor be elected from party A, but all other elected positions be from party B? (ie, since we vote directly for the mayor, he/she doesn't need a majority of council seats or borough mayors or something like that?) </p>
<p>Why do we have both borough and city councillor's for every district? Shouldn't we have borough councillors for more local issues, who are under the borough mayor, and all the borough mayors from across Montreal represent their boroughs in the context of the city mayor?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim J.</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98578</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are no &quot;loopholes.&quot;  Quebec is already completely sovereign when it comes to regulating municipal affairs.  There is no big, bad, federal government impeding Quebec&#039;s ability to, for example, (a) make changes to how municipal contracts are tendered; (b) regulate how municipal campaigns are financed, or (c) alter the rules regarding conflicts of interest by elected local officials.

I&#039;ll concede that Quebec doesn&#039;t have the ability to change the criminal code, but one could easily make the argument that, with sufficient and proper regulation of municipal affairs (which, apparently, have been neglected by both the PQ and the Liberals), changes to the criminal code would be unnecessary, because no one could commit any crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no "loopholes."  Quebec is already completely sovereign when it comes to regulating municipal affairs.  There is no big, bad, federal government impeding Quebec's ability to, for example, (a) make changes to how municipal contracts are tendered; (b) regulate how municipal campaigns are financed, or (c) alter the rules regarding conflicts of interest by elected local officials.</p>
<p>I'll concede that Quebec doesn't have the ability to change the criminal code, but one could easily make the argument that, with sufficient and proper regulation of municipal affairs (which, apparently, have been neglected by both the PQ and the Liberals), changes to the criminal code would be unnecessary, because no one could commit any crimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim J.</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98577</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your assertion ignores that the PQ, taking power after elections in &#039;76, and &#039;94, chose not to exercise Quebec&#039;s existing sovereignty in regulating municipal affairs and make changes to &quot;the system,&quot; despite scandals that have taken place &quot;while the Liberals are in power.&quot;  Why would this be?

Shouldn&#039;t the PQ have been eager, willing and, with a majority government, able to make all these changes so that, when the Liberals did back in in &#039;85 and &#039;03, these corruptions scandals would never happen again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your assertion ignores that the PQ, taking power after elections in '76, and '94, chose not to exercise Quebec's existing sovereignty in regulating municipal affairs and make changes to "the system," despite scandals that have taken place "while the Liberals are in power."  Why would this be?</p>
<p>Shouldn't the PQ have been eager, willing and, with a majority government, able to make all these changes so that, when the Liberals did back in in '85 and '03, these corruptions scandals would never happen again?</p>
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		<title>By: Kahn</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98572</link>
		<dc:creator>Kahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/10/22/municipal-corruption/comment-page-1/#comment-98519</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, we said the same thing 25 years ago when Jean Doré came to power, and look where we are now…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, we said the same thing 25 years ago when Jean Doré came to power, and look where we are now…</p>
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