Comments on: Jeff Lizotte and his desperate pleas for attention http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/ Can you think of a better name? Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:36:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jeff Lee http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-114825 Jeff Lee Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:17:15 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-114825 Thank you for your concern, but Bombe.tv is a content company, not Journalism. Everything is explained here: http://www.bombe.tv/blog/2010/02/bombe-tv-a-2-ans-deja/ Thank you for your concern, but Bombe.tv is a content company, not Journalism.
Everything is explained here:

http://www.bombe.tv/blog/2010/02/bombe-tv-a-2-ans-deja/

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-106285 DAVE ID Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:38:50 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-106285 Now that's rich. So much for full disclosure. I think this annuls his accusation of hypocrisy. Now that's rich. So much for full disclosure. I think this annuls his accusation of hypocrisy.

]]> By: Jim J. http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-106234 Jim J. Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:13:05 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-106234 Maybe the solution is for the government to implement a licensing scheme for journalists. Then there would be penalties, akin to practicing medicine without a license, or practicing law without a license, or architecture, or nursing, or other professions. I am, of course, being entirely facetious. I imagine that any kind of governmental licensing scheme for professional journalists probably runs smack up against the whole notion of freedom the the press, methinks. Of course, if journalism was truly a 'profession' that was respected by the public at large - an interesting debate all on its own - then maybe various and sundry marketers, hucksters, and carnival barkers wouldn't try to hijack it for their own ends. In essence, what is to prevent anyone from calling themselves a journalist? And, is there any means that would pass legal muster to sanction someone who does, but is principally using the cloak of respectability that comes with calling oneself a journalist (assuming such a cloak exists), for the sole purpose of hawking products, whether legitimate or snake oil? Maybe the solution is for the government to implement a licensing scheme for journalists. Then there would be penalties, akin to practicing medicine without a license, or practicing law without a license, or architecture, or nursing, or other professions.

I am, of course, being entirely facetious. I imagine that any kind of governmental licensing scheme for professional journalists probably runs smack up against the whole notion of freedom the the press, methinks.

Of course, if journalism was truly a 'profession' that was respected by the public at large - an interesting debate all on its own - then maybe various and sundry marketers, hucksters, and carnival barkers wouldn't try to hijack it for their own ends.

In essence, what is to prevent anyone from calling themselves a journalist? And, is there any means that would pass legal muster to sanction someone who does, but is principally using the cloak of respectability that comes with calling oneself a journalist (assuming such a cloak exists), for the sole purpose of hawking products, whether legitimate or snake oil?

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-106175 Fagstein Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:21:06 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-106175 What Sly doesn't mention, by the way, is that he works as a marketing consultant for Teletoon, the willing subject of one of Lizotte's pranks. What Sly doesn't mention, by the way, is that he works as a marketing consultant for Teletoon, the willing subject of one of Lizotte's pranks.

]]> By: Patrick Dion http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-105167 Patrick Dion Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:30:33 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-105167 I don't think most people think it's true. They question. And Bombe certainly doesn't consider itself as a journalists portal but more as a web company. I know I do... I don't think most people think it's true. They question.

And Bombe certainly doesn't consider itself as a journalists portal but more as a web company. I know I do...

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-105164 Fagstein Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:25:30 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-105164 <blockquote>What's best then? Not talking about it at all? </blockquote> Yes. <blockquote>In the end, what's the difference between what Bombe.tv is doing and whatever company trying to sell a product through a viral video?</blockquote> My issue is that Bombe.tv doesn't present itself as a marketing company, it presents itself as journalism. They're streaming on V's website, they post "les infos Bombe.tv" - they take advantage of social media to spread these hoaxes - <em>and everyone falls for it</em>. One of those things has to stop. If Lizotte and Bombe.tv want to keep preying on the naiveté of social media with hoaxes, fine, but people should stop believing that they're true.

What's best then? Not talking about it at all?

Yes.

In the end, what's the difference between what Bombe.tv is doing and whatever company trying to sell a product through a viral video?

My issue is that Bombe.tv doesn't present itself as a marketing company, it presents itself as journalism. They're streaming on V's website, they post "les infos Bombe.tv" - they take advantage of social media to spread these hoaxes - and everyone falls for it. One of those things has to stop. If Lizotte and Bombe.tv want to keep preying on the naiveté of social media with hoaxes, fine, but people should stop believing that they're true.

]]> By: Patrick Dion http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-105071 Patrick Dion Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:22:28 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-105071 I wouldn't push it that far. I don't think this guy is a serial liar. He's just doing his job: selling his company (bombe.tv). I am rarely in favor of such "selling" techniques. And when you denounce such practices, you're actually promoting them. What's best then? Not talking about it at all? In the end, what's the difference between what Bombe.tv is doing and whatever company trying to sell a product through a viral video? They use exactly the same method: word of mouth and credulity. The only difference is that Bombe.tv is selling itself through such pranks and hoaxes. I wouldn't push it that far. I don't think this guy is a serial liar. He's just doing his job: selling his company (bombe.tv). I am rarely in favor of such "selling" techniques. And when you denounce such practices, you're actually promoting them. What's best then? Not talking about it at all?

In the end, what's the difference between what Bombe.tv is doing and whatever company trying to sell a product through a viral video? They use exactly the same method: word of mouth and credulity. The only difference is that Bombe.tv is selling itself through such pranks and hoaxes.

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-105039 DAVE ID Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:36:13 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-105039 I think the difference between marketing and journalism get lost in Sly's head. He probably can't make out the difference between a press release and a legit article either. I think the difference between marketing and journalism get lost in Sly's head. He probably can't make out the difference between a press release and a legit article either.

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104913 Fagstein Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:35:51 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104913 <blockquote>Do you call what you do "journalism" ?</blockquote> No. <blockquote>Ce que Bombe.tv fait c'est du marketing ! Tout simplement.</blockquote> The problem is that not everybody knows that. When Lizotte made his iPhone video, he didn't say he was a marketer. He tried passing it off as journalism (and now conveniently plays the I'm-not-a-journalist card). If everyone realized he was a marketer and properly ignored him, that would be fine by me. But instead they take the boy who cried wolf at his word. My point is that a guy who has played multiple hoaxes on the media shouldn't be trusted. Do you disagree?

Do you call what you do "journalism" ?

No.

Ce que Bombe.tv fait c'est du marketing ! Tout simplement.

The problem is that not everybody knows that. When Lizotte made his iPhone video, he didn't say he was a marketer. He tried passing it off as journalism (and now conveniently plays the I'm-not-a-journalist card). If everyone realized he was a marketer and properly ignored him, that would be fine by me. But instead they take the boy who cried wolf at his word.

My point is that a guy who has played multiple hoaxes on the media shouldn't be trusted. Do you disagree?

]]> By: Sly http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104891 Sly Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:32:02 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104891 Pauvre toi Fagstein ! Whining like a bitch about Jeff Lizotte. You sound like a 15 old kid. Do you call what you do "journalism" ? C'est dommage car je suis certain que tu es une bonne personne dans la vie. Ce que Bombe.tv fait c'est du marketing ! Tout simplement. Merci S Pauvre toi Fagstein ! Whining like a bitch about Jeff Lizotte. You sound like a 15 old kid. Do you call what you do "journalism" ? C'est dommage car je suis certain que tu es une bonne personne dans la vie.
Ce que Bombe.tv fait c'est du marketing ! Tout simplement.
Merci
S

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104666 DAVE ID Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:42:36 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104666 Neither am I (I only wear black) but come on....all I feel like doing is taking my eyes out with a spoon Neither am I (I only wear black) but come on....all I feel like doing is taking my eyes out with a spoon

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104663 Fagstein Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:39:16 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104663 I'm not a fashion critic. I'm not a fashion critic.

]]> By: DAVE ID http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104584 DAVE ID Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:38:06 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104584 You only saw the hair? What about the wife-beater and that horrible gouge your eyes out shirt? You only saw the hair? What about the wife-beater and that horrible gouge your eyes out shirt?

]]> By: Kevin http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104288 Kevin Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:15:55 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104288 Why sell it when someone can steal it for free? My cousin's facebook account was hacked last week. Apparently he's now telling people he needs money because he was mugged in London -- a city he's never visited -- with a gun (like they have those in England). So, all Faguy needs is a friendly hacker to nail Lizotte, and he will be happy. Why sell it when someone can steal it for free? My cousin's facebook account was hacked last week. Apparently he's now telling people he needs money because he was mugged in London -- a city he's never visited -- with a gun (like they have those in England).

So, all Faguy needs is a friendly hacker to nail Lizotte, and he will be happy.

]]> By: Steve R http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104261 Steve R Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:35:32 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104261 I don't like when all media are covering a story the same way, without putting it in context. Thanks for giving the other side of the story. I don't like when all media are covering a story the same way, without putting it in context. Thanks for giving the other side of the story.

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104256 Fagstein Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:20:55 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104256 Nothing would depress me more than this post being the one that causes a traffic increase. Nothing would depress me more than this post being the one that causes a traffic increase.

]]> By: Fagstein http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104255 Fagstein Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:19:51 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104255 I don't think my being a loser has any bearing on his lies, but maybe I'm missing something. I don't think my being a loser has any bearing on his lies, but maybe I'm missing something.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104229 Anonymous Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:07:11 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104229 Ever hear of this guy Steve Faguy? He's a journalist wannabe who decided to start a blog centered around him because he thought he was smart and funny. Apparently part of his PR strategy requires gaining as much attention as humanly possible, which saw increasingly ridiculous stunts culminating in the analysis of Jeff Lizotte and his desperate pleas for attention. Of course it was complete bull, but it increased its amount of page views anyway. I'm hopeful that he’s learned his lesson because we don’t really feel like reading about him anyway. Ever hear of this guy Steve Faguy? He's a journalist wannabe who decided to start a blog centered around him because he thought he was smart and funny. Apparently part of his PR strategy requires gaining as much attention as humanly possible, which saw increasingly ridiculous stunts culminating in the analysis of Jeff Lizotte and his desperate pleas for attention. Of course it was complete bull, but it increased its amount of page views anyway. I'm hopeful that he’s learned his lesson because we don’t really feel like reading about him anyway.

]]> By: P-A http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104214 P-A Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:14:53 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104214 he's just better than you in marketing... and it gets you mad.. you are a loser thats it he's just better than you in marketing... and it gets you mad.. you are a loser thats it

]]> By: Jim J. http://blog.fagstein.com/2009/11/13/jeff-lizotte-attention-grabber/comment-page-1/#comment-104109 Jim J. Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:36:25 +0000 http://blog.fagstein.com/?p=7484#comment-104109 I'll concede your point. However, I sincerely believe that some folks who have achieved a certain level of... I'll call it "professionalism" when it comes to pushing grievances or otherwise attempting to advance their political or social cause can be pretty cynical when it comes to using the media to further their agenda, and the media is either exceptionally naive or entirely complicit (most of the time, I'm not sure which) in helping them do just that. I'll concede your point.

However, I sincerely believe that some folks who have achieved a certain level of... I'll call it "professionalism" when it comes to pushing grievances or otherwise attempting to advance their political or social cause can be pretty cynical when it comes to using the media to further their agenda, and the media is either exceptionally naive or entirely complicit (most of the time, I'm not sure which) in helping them do just that.

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