Comments on: The cyclist’s left-turn dilemma solved?

By: j2

j2 — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:36:53 +0000

To me it seems more about relative speed - slow traffic keep right - well and not to mention dumbass montreal drivers. Generally the car traffic is faster than the bike traffic - except in the core areas where the block of a lane ( double-parking etc) reduce thoroughfare effectiveness by 50%. [1] But not so much for cyclists.

Speaking again to relative speed - my understanding is that La Vitesse Tue! isn't strictly true, its speed differentials [2]. This is more that dictates my usage of non-right lane biking, if the traffic is difficult to cross safely.

[1] - I have in mind a study from Carleton University.
[2] - I can't find a citation in 2s of looking, however.

By: Fagstein

Fagstein — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:44:18 +0000

No, it's a legal requirement. Cyclists are required to stay at the far right of roadways.

By: wkh

wkh — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:41:33 +0000

I don't mean to be pedantic but I thought "stay to the right" was a safety recommendation and not a legal edict? I was honestly puzzled at the left turn question. Get in the left lane and turn, like the cops in the picture, since bikes are to function as cars, no?

By: jean.naimard

jean.naimard — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:01:12 +0000

This is why I wear spandex when I ride my bike…

By: Shawn

Shawn — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:09:11 +0000

I'll say one thing for you, Jean. You've got balls.

By: Maria Gatti

Maria Gatti — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:42:13 +0000

I did that yesterday - corner St-Laurent et Jean-Talon, but I not only signalled but shoulder-checked - lots of trucks barrelling up St-Laurent.

As for police, I was riding home the other day and two young police officers on bicycles shot through a red light, and no, they weren't in hot pursuit of a culprit. I have also seen them riding through street sales when we were (rightly) admonished to get off our bikes and push them. But the police officers could have hurt a pedestrian as much as any other cyclist could have...

By: Kyle

Kyle — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:05:42 +0000

If car traffic's light, I'll do the as-the-police-do left turn lane, but if it's heavy I'll take the wait for crossing light to go green method, as mentioned by Chris. Sometimes I'll mix in with pedestrian traffic if it seems to work, and I don't get in anyone's way. As a guy who cycles, walks, drives, rides transit, etc. I find it somewhat insane that bicycles are supposed to have the same restrictions/responsibilities/duties as vehicles. How is a bicycle more similar to a semi-truck than a pedestrian? IMHO, cyclists running red lights should be in the same boat as jaywalkers, and cyclists should also be able to use vehicular lanes if the situation allows, such as the picture above, but not on an inner-city autoroute.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:31:08 +0000

...squeeze over to the side of the left-hand turn lane or else when you do make your left turn , you'll be in no man's land.
Like the cops in your picture, take the whole lane so that when you do make your left turn, you can comfortably slide off to the right-hand side of the road again.

By: jean.naimard

jean.naimard — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:04:10 +0000

(Just in case it turns into a geography quiz, the picture is taken about there).

By: jean.naimard

jean.naimard — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:59:54 +0000

That’s what I always do, and yes, I sometimes get shouted at, with hilarious results.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:35:18 +0000

One thing I often do is stay right and cross the intersection then wait with the other cars and bikes at the red light going the other way. It works especially well if you hit the first light just before it turns yellow then you get the green just as you get positioned going the other direction.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:04:38 +0000

My understanding has always been that bicyclists have the same rights ( and responsibilities ) as motorists. The cops in your picture are doing the right thing. And if the light turns red before you can make the turn don't sq