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	<title>Comments on: So bad, it makes the CSU look good</title>
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	<description>Can you think of a better name?</description>
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		<title>By: wkh</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-132526</link>
		<dc:creator>wkh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 01:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you go to the CSU office and fill out a tiny form, it takes 2 minutes and is easy as hell. I did it in the past often for the People&#039;s Potato, Frigo Vert, QPIRG, and 2110 back when they were the Dragonroot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you go to the CSU office and fill out a tiny form, it takes 2 minutes and is easy as hell. I did it in the past often for the People's Potato, Frigo Vert, QPIRG, and 2110 back when they were the Dragonroot.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheese</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-128234</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole CSU thing is insane, what a complete corruption of it&#039;s original stated purpose.  Really unfortunate that all this time, energy, and money is going to waste because of it.

I&#039;m glad that Cinema Politica got their extra funding, I think they do great stuff.  I&#039;m not a Concordia student but I do donate at every screening I attend.  For what it&#039;s worth I don&#039;t think Fagstein is against the decision to provide the increased funding though he did use the percentage and not the dollar value.

Cheese

PS: I can&#039;t beleive that JN managed to throw in yet another separatist comment on a topic that has nothing to do with Quebec independence.  Unreal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole CSU thing is insane, what a complete corruption of it's original stated purpose.  Really unfortunate that all this time, energy, and money is going to waste because of it.</p>
<p>I'm glad that Cinema Politica got their extra funding, I think they do great stuff.  I'm not a Concordia student but I do donate at every screening I attend.  For what it's worth I don't think Fagstein is against the decision to provide the increased funding though he did use the percentage and not the dollar value.</p>
<p>Cheese</p>
<p>PS: I can't beleive that JN managed to throw in yet another separatist comment on a topic that has nothing to do with Quebec independence.  Unreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-128212</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While a fee increase of 5 cents per credit sounds like nothing, it&#039;ll still adds up $1.50/year for a typical student, so $4.50-$6 over the course of a degree. 
But $4.50 still doesn&#039;t sound like much, does it? But once you start adding up all the various levies, ex: Frigo Vert&#039;s $0.25/credit ($22.50-$30/degree), association fees, and all that, half of what students pay for university is self-imposed.

So, yeah, students don&#039;t have much right to complain about tuition increases when they are choosing to pay $30 for a grocery store that they will never shop at or $15 for a newspaper that they will never read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While a fee increase of 5 cents per credit sounds like nothing, it'll still adds up $1.50/year for a typical student, so $4.50-$6 over the course of a degree.<br />
But $4.50 still doesn't sound like much, does it? But once you start adding up all the various levies, ex: Frigo Vert's $0.25/credit ($22.50-$30/degree), association fees, and all that, half of what students pay for university is self-imposed.</p>
<p>So, yeah, students don't have much right to complain about tuition increases when they are choosing to pay $30 for a grocery store that they will never shop at or $15 for a newspaper that they will never read.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-128117</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhh... student politics... I hardly missed ye. (puts on headphones, bops head to The Killers, and finds something better to do, like going to work)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh... student politics... I hardly missed ye. (puts on headphones, bops head to The Killers, and finds something better to do, like going to work)</p>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127890</link>
		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a recount that bumped up the count to 22. Believing everything you read on the internet is bad for your health...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a recount that bumped up the count to 22. Believing everything you read on the internet is bad for your health...</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127879</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t see what difference 7 votes makes, but by all means keep arguing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don't see what difference 7 votes makes, but by all means keep arguing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127861</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And a small correction: Cinema Politica&#039;s fee levy question passed by 22 votes&quot;

No, it didn&#039;t.

http://elections.csu.qc.ca/index.php?module=pagesetter&amp;func=viewpub&amp;tid=3&amp;pid=369</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"And a small correction: Cinema Politica's fee levy question passed by 22 votes"</p>
<p>No, it didn't.</p>
<p><a href="http://elections.csu.qc.ca/index.php?module=pagesetter&#038;func=viewpub&#038;tid=3&#038;pid=369" rel="nofollow">http://elections.csu.qc.ca/index.php?module=pagesetter&#038;func=viewpub&#038;tid=3&#038;pid=369</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127715</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 07:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many (though not all) such fee levies have opt-out clauses, but I&#039;d be curious to see (a) what the opt-out procedure is, and (b) how many people take advantage of it. My understanding is that students would need to go individually to each organization and demand their money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many (though not all) such fee levies have opt-out clauses, but I'd be curious to see (a) what the opt-out procedure is, and (b) how many people take advantage of it. My understanding is that students would need to go individually to each organization and demand their money back.</p>
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		<title>By: Catching a breath as winter ends &#124; EzraWinton.com &#124; Media arts and politics</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127680</link>
		<dc:creator>Catching a breath as winter ends &#124; EzraWinton.com &#124; Media arts and politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 05:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] failed, and despite still being by far the smallest fee levy on campus we remain subject to unfair attacks from bloggers like Steve Faguy. At any rate, provided it goes through Concordia’s Board of Governors smoothly, we’ve just [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] failed, and despite still being by far the smallest fee levy on campus we remain subject to unfair attacks from bloggers like Steve Faguy. At any rate, provided it goes through Concordia’s Board of Governors smoothly, we’ve just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra (aka, "has good reasons")</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127616</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra (aka, "has good reasons")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a small correction: Cinema Politica&#039;s fee levy question passed by 22 votes. No small feat considering all the other fee levy questions failed and that for two weeks the Concordia campus was plastered with NO posters for the CFC campaign...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a small correction: Cinema Politica's fee levy question passed by 22 votes. No small feat considering all the other fee levy questions failed and that for two weeks the Concordia campus was plastered with NO posters for the CFC campaign...</p>
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		<title>By: Ezra (aka, "has good reasons")</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127615</link>
		<dc:creator>Ezra (aka, "has good reasons")</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 00:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparing tuition fees with fee levies is like comparing Avatar to Darwin&#039;s Nightmare.

Tuition fees: Students have no choice. They are enough to put someone in debt for decades after graduation. They have all kinds of &quot;back door&quot; and surreptitious ways of insinuating themselves. They go to a failing education system that does more to please corporations than to provide good critical education to the public.

Fee levies: Students have a choice to opt out - this isn&#039;t a smarmy or cheeky ploy, students really can opt out: don&#039;t let the ironic tone fool you folks! They add up to a teeny fraction of overall student expenses (Cinema Politica&#039;s current fee of 2cents per credit per student is less than two pieces of licorice per student, per year). They go to excellent social and political services on campus like QPIRG, The People&#039;s Potato, Frigo, Cinema Politica and more. 

The notion of aggregate funding is something anti-union people hate, but everyone chipping in a little makes for great daily free lunches and weekly free documentary screenings at Concordia. And if you&#039;re not into all that hippy stuff, again, you can opt out (unlike tuition fees).

PS: Council is not always the rosy-cheeked open-armed group that is described in the above post. I was there when Frigo posed their fee levy increase question to council - it took over three hours and was voted against at first. Hardly the all-are-welcome  portrait painted here.

PPS: It&#039;s clever, but also kind of predictable to put a tiny fee levy increase like Cinema Politica&#039;s in percentage terms isn&#039;t it? 250% sounds much more drastic than a nickel. But then again, we&#039;ve come to expect this kind of rhetoric from those who prefer the megaplex to our lefty fare...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparing tuition fees with fee levies is like comparing Avatar to Darwin's Nightmare.</p>
<p>Tuition fees: Students have no choice. They are enough to put someone in debt for decades after graduation. They have all kinds of "back door" and surreptitious ways of insinuating themselves. They go to a failing education system that does more to please corporations than to provide good critical education to the public.</p>
<p>Fee levies: Students have a choice to opt out - this isn't a smarmy or cheeky ploy, students really can opt out: don't let the ironic tone fool you folks! They add up to a teeny fraction of overall student expenses (Cinema Politica's current fee of 2cents per credit per student is less than two pieces of licorice per student, per year). They go to excellent social and political services on campus like QPIRG, The People's Potato, Frigo, Cinema Politica and more. </p>
<p>The notion of aggregate funding is something anti-union people hate, but everyone chipping in a little makes for great daily free lunches and weekly free documentary screenings at Concordia. And if you're not into all that hippy stuff, again, you can opt out (unlike tuition fees).</p>
<p>PS: Council is not always the rosy-cheeked open-armed group that is described in the above post. I was there when Frigo posed their fee levy increase question to council - it took over three hours and was voted against at first. Hardly the all-are-welcome  portrait painted here.</p>
<p>PPS: It's clever, but also kind of predictable to put a tiny fee levy increase like Cinema Politica's in percentage terms isn't it? 250% sounds much more drastic than a nickel. But then again, we've come to expect this kind of rhetoric from those who prefer the megaplex to our lefty fare...</p>
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		<title>By: wkh</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127536</link>
		<dc:creator>wkh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note it is easier to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_California#Recall_by_the_voters&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recall the fucking governor of California&lt;/a&gt; than it is to leave CFS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note it is easier to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_California#Recall_by_the_voters" rel="nofollow">recall the fucking governor of California</a> than it is to leave CFS.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Naimard</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean Naimard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geee, that sounds like the anti-”separation” arguments we hear from Canada…

So what’s wrong with the CSU??? If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander, no???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geee, that sounds like the anti-”separation” arguments we hear from Canada…</p>
<p>So what’s wrong with the CSU??? If it’s good for the goose, it’s good for the gander, no???</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/03/28/csu-and-cfs/comment-page-1/#comment-127484</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 12:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there anymore more meaningless than student government? What a tremendous waste of time for everyone involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anymore more meaningless than student government? What a tremendous waste of time for everyone involved.</p>
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