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	<title>Comments on: More service on STM routes 80, 120, 165, 470 and 747</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-218981</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It could make a stop somewhere on the service road right under the overpass. You&#039;d have to walk the rest of the way. It would be very unpleasant, but I think it could be done. It souldn&#039;t take more than 1 min.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could make a stop somewhere on the service road right under the overpass. You'd have to walk the rest of the way. It would be very unpleasant, but I think it could be done. It souldn't take more than 1 min.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-218796</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I would like to see the 470 bus ,make a stop near Sources at the Galarie de Source.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The 470 is purposefully non-stop between Fairview and Côte Vertu. I wouldn&#039;t expect that to change. There are alternatives available, like the 72, 214, 216 and 225 buses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I would like to see the 470 bus ,make a stop near Sources at the Galarie de Source.</p></blockquote>
<p>The 470 is purposefully non-stop between Fairview and Côte Vertu. I wouldn't expect that to change. There are alternatives available, like the 72, 214, 216 and 225 buses.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafi</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-218785</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 04:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to see the 470 bus ,make a stop
near Sources at the  Galarie de Source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see the 470 bus ,make a stop<br />
near Sources at the  Galarie de Source.</p>
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		<title>By: STM fall schedules: &#8220;10 minutes max&#8221; and a new seniors&#8217; route &#8211; Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-195564</link>
		<dc:creator>STM fall schedules: &#8220;10 minutes max&#8221; and a new seniors&#8217; route &#8211; Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] months after trumpeting the fact that the 80 and 535 would both run during rush hours (instead of the 80 disappearing in favour of the 535), that has quietly been reduced on the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] months after trumpeting the fact that the 80 and 535 would both run during rush hours (instead of the 80 disappearing in favour of the 535), that has quietly been reduced on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tux</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-163002</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn straight. It is clear that the STM brass had no real understanding of the technology, merely thinking of it as a &quot;band-aid&quot; for the problems with the old fare system. They had an awesome opportunity to do something great for Montreal commuters and they utterly botched it. 

They had to do something, because the companies that made their turnstiles, transfer dispensers, etc. were long out of business. The STM was having to machine their own parts in some cases. Clearly the system had to be replaced. Unfortunately, instead of doing the research, they probably just had a few meetings with vendors, and picked the one with the best powerpoint presentation. Remember when they were saying Opus would solve the fraud problem? Everyone on the internet said &quot;um... how do smart cards stop turnstile hopping?&quot; and when Opus, as expected, did nothing to solve the fraud problem, the STM hired a bunch of &quot;inspecteur&quot; bullies to intimidate people and check tickets. Oh, and remember how it was months before they started giving away plastic sleeves for Opus so it wouldn&#039;t deactivate in your pocket? (Never had that problem with the magstripe cards) That is how the STM operates, they do something without thinking, and when it screws up, they spend our money to band-aid it, and next month they charge more for fares.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn straight. It is clear that the STM brass had no real understanding of the technology, merely thinking of it as a "band-aid" for the problems with the old fare system. They had an awesome opportunity to do something great for Montreal commuters and they utterly botched it. </p>
<p>They had to do something, because the companies that made their turnstiles, transfer dispensers, etc. were long out of business. The STM was having to machine their own parts in some cases. Clearly the system had to be replaced. Unfortunately, instead of doing the research, they probably just had a few meetings with vendors, and picked the one with the best powerpoint presentation. Remember when they were saying Opus would solve the fraud problem? Everyone on the internet said "um... how do smart cards stop turnstile hopping?" and when Opus, as expected, did nothing to solve the fraud problem, the STM hired a bunch of "inspecteur" bullies to intimidate people and check tickets. Oh, and remember how it was months before they started giving away plastic sleeves for Opus so it wouldn't deactivate in your pocket? (Never had that problem with the magstripe cards) That is how the STM operates, they do something without thinking, and when it screws up, they spend our money to band-aid it, and next month they charge more for fares.</p>
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		<title>By: SMS</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-160972</link>
		<dc:creator>SMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 13:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 120 will go to Gare Dorval! Yay!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 120 will go to Gare Dorval! Yay!</p>
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		<title>By: telso</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159320</link>
		<dc:creator>telso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card#Fare_capping&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fare capping&lt;/a&gt;.  Charge $2.10 for the first trip, then $2.10 for the second, etc.  On your 10th trip in a week, you get charged $1.60 (total $20.50), and on any trip after that, $0.  Similarly, you get charged up till your 34th trip in a month, when you get charged $0.70 (total $70), and $0 after that.  This helps people who are not sure at the beginning of the month if buying a pass will be worth it; those who use it more won&#039;t see a difference.  (And, of course, for a day, $2.10 three times, then $0.70, then $0.)

Further, you can combine zones, so if you take trips from Laval metros (and already have had the $70 for a monthly pass deducted -- or even not: they can go up in tandem) you&#039;ll be charged in full for the first 14, then $2.50 for the next and $0 for the rest, maxing out at the zone 3 rate of $111.

And, lastly, if they get &quot;really&quot; advanced (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_card#Card_usage&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;like the Octopus card&lt;/a&gt;) shops can install OPUS readers so we can use it like an Interac card to buy things, or to pay for parking, or Bixis, or whatever.  When we&#039;re storing tickets, all we can do with our card is use those tickets we&#039;ve bought; when we&#039;re storing money, we can buy anything a reader is willing to deduct for us to pay for.

Regardless, it means those who care about checking every single purchase can, while everyone else can just make sure there&#039;s enough money on the card for what they want to do and tap -- the computer will figure out for you what to deduct (if anything).  Every time.  No problems.  No worries.  Maybe it&#039;s a bit much expecting Quebec/Montreal to figure this out, but given that most of this was &lt;em&gt;implemented&lt;/em&gt; in the wild before they even started &lt;em&gt;designing&lt;/em&gt; the OPUS system, it really is nothing except inexcusable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyster_card#Fare_capping" rel="nofollow">Fare capping</a>.  Charge $2.10 for the first trip, then $2.10 for the second, etc.  On your 10th trip in a week, you get charged $1.60 (total $20.50), and on any trip after that, $0.  Similarly, you get charged up till your 34th trip in a month, when you get charged $0.70 (total $70), and $0 after that.  This helps people who are not sure at the beginning of the month if buying a pass will be worth it; those who use it more won't see a difference.  (And, of course, for a day, $2.10 three times, then $0.70, then $0.)</p>
<p>Further, you can combine zones, so if you take trips from Laval metros (and already have had the $70 for a monthly pass deducted -- or even not: they can go up in tandem) you'll be charged in full for the first 14, then $2.50 for the next and $0 for the rest, maxing out at the zone 3 rate of $111.</p>
<p>And, lastly, if they get "really" advanced (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus_card#Card_usage" rel="nofollow">like the Octopus card</a>) shops can install OPUS readers so we can use it like an Interac card to buy things, or to pay for parking, or Bixis, or whatever.  When we're storing tickets, all we can do with our card is use those tickets we've bought; when we're storing money, we can buy anything a reader is willing to deduct for us to pay for.</p>
<p>Regardless, it means those who care about checking every single purchase can, while everyone else can just make sure there's enough money on the card for what they want to do and tap -- the computer will figure out for you what to deduct (if anything).  Every time.  No problems.  No worries.  Maybe it's a bit much expecting Quebec/Montreal to figure this out, but given that most of this was <em>implemented</em> in the wild before they even started <em>designing</em> the OPUS system, it really is nothing except inexcusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel K</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159306</link>
		<dc:creator>Michel K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does someone know the Metro stations where a day pass will be available?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does someone know the Metro stations where a day pass will be available?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159230</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really like that they&#039;re improving the 747. Certainly saves a lot of money not having to take a cab to the airport every time, especially when picking up friends. Now if only passengers in the metro wouldn&#039;t stare at you anymore when you show up with luggage at Lionel-Groulx ;)

In the end, I hope they build the train link. This should finally bring Montreal up to par with other major cities around the world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like that they're improving the 747. Certainly saves a lot of money not having to take a cab to the airport every time, especially when picking up friends. Now if only passengers in the metro wouldn't stare at you anymore when you show up with luggage at Lionel-Groulx ;)</p>
<p>In the end, I hope they build the train link. This should finally bring Montreal up to par with other major cities around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy L.</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159171</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the planibus from the STM website concerning the 19.

http://stm.info/bus/planibus/19.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the planibus from the STM website concerning the 19.</p>
<p><a href="http://stm.info/bus/planibus/19.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://stm.info/bus/planibus/19.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Luc</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159162</link>
		<dc:creator>Luc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Was in Montréal last week. The attendant at Place-des-Arts told me I had to buy an OPUS for a 3-day pass. There&#039;s a 25% surcharge I didn&#039;t expect...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was in Montréal last week. The attendant at Place-des-Arts told me I had to buy an OPUS for a 3-day pass. There's a 25% surcharge I didn't expect...</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159154</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How would the concept of unlimited trips fit in with your money-only card? The vast majority of users have weekly or monthly passes and wouldn&#039;t be crazy about being charged for every trip.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would the concept of unlimited trips fit in with your money-only card? The vast majority of users have weekly or monthly passes and wouldn't be crazy about being charged for every trip.</p>
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		<title>By: telso</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159131</link>
		<dc:creator>telso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is why having &quot;tickets&quot; as your stored value is so ridiculous.  If instead we used money (like London, Boston, D.C., San Francisco, Hong Kong, and every other place I can think of that uses multi-use (usually RFID) cards), then the machines we use to put money on the card would only need to be able to do one thing (add money), the cards would only need to store one thing (current balance, though you might need previous use if bus fare stations weren&#039;t hooked up to the network) and the fare stations could be equipped with the info needed for that trip.  Then, each transit system could decide the cost of their tickets, depending on mode of transportation, distance travelled, time of use, number of trips taken in a certain amount of time (bundling) and other factors and the user wouldn&#039;t have to figure out which ticket to buy (or which machine to buy it from): you just add money and go.

For all the problems we&#039;ve had with OPUS, this is the greatest design flaw, and given how non-replicated it is in other cities that implemented their systems well before our, is inexcusable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why having "tickets" as your stored value is so ridiculous.  If instead we used money (like London, Boston, D.C., San Francisco, Hong Kong, and every other place I can think of that uses multi-use (usually RFID) cards), then the machines we use to put money on the card would only need to be able to do one thing (add money), the cards would only need to store one thing (current balance, though you might need previous use if bus fare stations weren't hooked up to the network) and the fare stations could be equipped with the info needed for that trip.  Then, each transit system could decide the cost of their tickets, depending on mode of transportation, distance travelled, time of use, number of trips taken in a certain amount of time (bundling) and other factors and the user wouldn't have to figure out which ticket to buy (or which machine to buy it from): you just add money and go.</p>
<p>For all the problems we've had with OPUS, this is the greatest design flaw, and given how non-replicated it is in other cities that implemented their systems well before our, is inexcusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159112</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I use the 535 on Rene-Levesque every week day for the past 10 years. I take the train from the West Island and get off at Lucien-L&#039;Allier. I then take the 535 from the train station to my work. I used to work on Guy, then I got a new job on Park Avenue. I am VERY happy with the route the 535 takes if anything, I wish they would extend the hours. There is no &quot;fast&quot; way of getting from Park Avenue to the train station after 6:30PM. Of course, I cannot expect the STM to extended the hours just for me.....

In short, leave the 535 route alone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use the 535 on Rene-Levesque every week day for the past 10 years. I take the train from the West Island and get off at Lucien-L'Allier. I then take the 535 from the train station to my work. I used to work on Guy, then I got a new job on Park Avenue. I am VERY happy with the route the 535 takes if anything, I wish they would extend the hours. There is no "fast" way of getting from Park Avenue to the train station after 6:30PM. Of course, I cannot expect the STM to extended the hours just for me.....</p>
<p>In short, leave the 535 route alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hatton</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159108</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hatton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wouldn&#039;t that just add more buses to R-L?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn't that just add more buses to R-L?</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159105</link>
		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[how about some more service on the #12 from Lasalle Metro to Nun&#039;s Island?  7pm stop time? come&#039;on...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how about some more service on the #12 from Lasalle Metro to Nun's Island?  7pm stop time? come'on...</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Gatti</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159078</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Gatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How will the new Marché Central bus be different from the Chabanel bus, which runs to Marché Central? Will it have different stops around the sprawly Market?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will the new Marché Central bus be different from the Chabanel bus, which runs to Marché Central? Will it have different stops around the sprawly Market?</p>
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		<title>By: SMS</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-159075</link>
		<dc:creator>SMS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your 470 comments unfortunately left out the following good news: early starts Monday to Friday. From the metro - 530 am (currently 610 am). From the west - 437 am which ought to meet the first metro at 530 am (currently 6 am).

No news on the 120 which ostensibly should have a new western terminus... 

No new 747 PDF planibus...

Hmm!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your 470 comments unfortunately left out the following good news: early starts Monday to Friday. From the metro - 530 am (currently 610 am). From the west - 437 am which ought to meet the first metro at 530 am (currently 6 am).</p>
<p>No news on the 120 which ostensibly should have a new western terminus... </p>
<p>No new 747 PDF planibus...</p>
<p>Hmm!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-158948</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 04:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re correct, though both the 535 and 545 used René-Lévesque. The idea is to bring people who use Parc and CDN directly to and from their workplaces on René-Lévesque rather than have them crowd the metro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You're correct, though both the 535 and 545 used René-Lévesque. The idea is to bring people who use Parc and CDN directly to and from their workplaces on René-Lévesque rather than have them crowd the metro.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2010/06/10/stm-summer-bus-schedules/comment-page-1/#comment-158942</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I recall, the 535 was originally just R-Bus du Parc.  And there was the 545 R-Bus Cote des Neiges, which was abolished when they were linked up and the 535 renamed.  Maybe they should go back to that setup if the buses aren&#039;t much used along R-L.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall, the 535 was originally just R-Bus du Parc.  And there was the 545 R-Bus Cote des Neiges, which was abolished when they were linked up and the 535 renamed.  Maybe they should go back to that setup if the buses aren't much used along R-L.</p>
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