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		<title>By: Are the STM&#8217;s fare hikes STILL unreasonable? &#8211; Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-536400</link>
		<dc:creator>Are the STM&#8217;s fare hikes STILL unreasonable? &#8211; Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] while back, I did up a chart to give some context to the STM&#039;s proposed fare hikes for 2013. Since then, the city of Montreal has decided to increase its allocation to the STM and allow the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] while back, I did up a chart to give some context to the STM&#039;s proposed fare hikes for 2013. Since then, the city of Montreal has decided to increase its allocation to the STM and allow the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: William Moss</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-535535</link>
		<dc:creator>William Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Better get a new hat!&quot; 
&quot;This time for sure!&quot;
Presto will now be phased in starting in January, but OC transpo has until June 1 to call the whole thing off if it doesn&#039;t work.
No other smart card system had ever planned a flash cut, and the guy who decided that OC Transpo should do that quit Metrolinx (the provincial agency supplying the Presto card system) when this whole debacle came to the fore last spring.

Many bus users are complaining that the system is overly reliant on using phone and internet to top up Presto cards, with only a limited number of OC Transpo sales outlets selling Presto topups over the counter.
And I still see Presto readers on buses with error messages.

&quot;And now, for something we hope you&#039;ll really like!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Better get a new hat!"<br />
"This time for sure!"<br />
Presto will now be phased in starting in January, but OC transpo has until June 1 to call the whole thing off if it doesn't work.<br />
No other smart card system had ever planned a flash cut, and the guy who decided that OC Transpo should do that quit Metrolinx (the provincial agency supplying the Presto card system) when this whole debacle came to the fore last spring.</p>
<p>Many bus users are complaining that the system is overly reliant on using phone and internet to top up Presto cards, with only a limited number of OC Transpo sales outlets selling Presto topups over the counter.<br />
And I still see Presto readers on buses with error messages.</p>
<p>"And now, for something we hope you'll really like!"</p>
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		<title>By: emdx</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-535441</link>
		<dc:creator>emdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In France, for more than 30 years, there has been the &quot;versement transport&quot;, where the employer pays something like 50% of the monthly pass, and many cities offer free transit for unemployed people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In France, for more than 30 years, there has been the "versement transport", where the employer pays something like 50% of the monthly pass, and many cities offer free transit for unemployed people.</p>
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		<title>By: lagatta à montréal</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-535436</link>
		<dc:creator>lagatta à montréal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fagstein, yes the 427 is a big help, but since the extension to Monmorency, the orange line is saturated into downtown from Jean-Talon at least. Eventually there should be a parallel tramline; perhaps along Parc. 

Trams have far more carrying capacity than bus lines; they are intermediate between a bus and métro line. 

Solidarités Villeray was calling for a &quot;tarif social&quot; for people under the poverty line (however defined). I don&#039;t think the fare increases are a huge problem for people with a decent job, but for people on the minimum wage, to say nothing of unemployed jobseekers, they are a huge burden. 

But no, I don&#039;t know how this could be administered, unless there were photo IDs as for seniors and students.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fagstein, yes the 427 is a big help, but since the extension to Monmorency, the orange line is saturated into downtown from Jean-Talon at least. Eventually there should be a parallel tramline; perhaps along Parc. </p>
<p>Trams have far more carrying capacity than bus lines; they are intermediate between a bus and métro line. </p>
<p>Solidarités Villeray was calling for a "tarif social" for people under the poverty line (however defined). I don't think the fare increases are a huge problem for people with a decent job, but for people on the minimum wage, to say nothing of unemployed jobseekers, they are a huge burden. </p>
<p>But no, I don't know how this could be administered, unless there were photo IDs as for seniors and students.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-535049</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 01:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;As for the safety &quot;don&#039;t stop in the tunnel&quot;, I am thinking that with the new trains, less heat, and better air in the tunnels, this would perhaps be less of an issue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The problem isn&#039;t the air or the heat, it&#039;s that a train stuck in a tunnel can&#039;t easily be evacuated. When a section of the metro shuts down for whatever reason, which happens occasionally, a train in a tunnel would be prevented from advancing to the next station if there&#039;s a train already there, and this would mean either trapping people inside a tunnel for hours or having to do a tunnel evacuation.

There&#039;s also the issue of signaling, which is easy when trains are kept a station apart but become more complicated when one train is at a station and the next is speeding toward it.

I&#039;m not an expert in this, but as I understand it there are very important reasons why this policy is in place. And since there aren&#039;t many trains to add to rush-hour service anyway, it&#039;s kind of a moot point right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As for the safety "don't stop in the tunnel", I am thinking that with the new trains, less heat, and better air in the tunnels, this would perhaps be less of an issue.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem isn't the air or the heat, it's that a train stuck in a tunnel can't easily be evacuated. When a section of the metro shuts down for whatever reason, which happens occasionally, a train in a tunnel would be prevented from advancing to the next station if there's a train already there, and this would mean either trapping people inside a tunnel for hours or having to do a tunnel evacuation.</p>
<p>There's also the issue of signaling, which is easy when trains are kept a station apart but become more complicated when one train is at a station and the next is speeding toward it.</p>
<p>I'm not an expert in this, but as I understand it there are very important reasons why this policy is in place. And since there aren't many trains to add to rush-hour service anyway, it's kind of a moot point right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-535000</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2012 02:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s basic math:  if the current &quot;best&quot; is 3 minutes, and you cut it down to 2 minutes, you get 50% more trains per hour.  At 3 minute gaps, you get 20 trains per hour, and at 2 minute gaps you get 30.  That means space to move 50% more people.   That wouldn&#039;t be a small gain in service, that would be massive.

Since the 3 minute thing is only a peak time issue (they compress the space between trains in one direction to do it, it seems), the extra trains at the times where the gap is 4 minutes would mean 100% more service.

it&#039;s hard to deny that so much more service would be more service.

As for the safety &quot;don&#039;t stop in the tunnel&quot;, I am thinking that with the new trains, less heat, and better air in the tunnels, this would perhaps be less of an issue.  I am sure that with a little effort, they could run 2 minute gaps without any problems, and could certainly up the system capacity massively.

I actually think Steve that in this case, your answer is a bit of a apologist view.  Don&#039;t just tolerate &quot;barely acceptable&quot; service, aim for more.  That more might make it more appealing for many more people to take the metro.    As a side note for me, I drive everywhere in Montreal, I take public transit everywhere in Hong Kong.   It&#039;s may be hard to imagine, but the offerings in public transit here versus driving and parking at destination make it an absolute no brainer.   The same cannot be said for Montreal, where a 20 minutes car ride is not so comfortably replaced by an hour or more of public transit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's basic math:  if the current "best" is 3 minutes, and you cut it down to 2 minutes, you get 50% more trains per hour.  At 3 minute gaps, you get 20 trains per hour, and at 2 minute gaps you get 30.  That means space to move 50% more people.   That wouldn't be a small gain in service, that would be massive.</p>
<p>Since the 3 minute thing is only a peak time issue (they compress the space between trains in one direction to do it, it seems), the extra trains at the times where the gap is 4 minutes would mean 100% more service.</p>
<p>it's hard to deny that so much more service would be more service.</p>
<p>As for the safety "don't stop in the tunnel", I am thinking that with the new trains, less heat, and better air in the tunnels, this would perhaps be less of an issue.  I am sure that with a little effort, they could run 2 minute gaps without any problems, and could certainly up the system capacity massively.</p>
<p>I actually think Steve that in this case, your answer is a bit of a apologist view.  Don't just tolerate "barely acceptable" service, aim for more.  That more might make it more appealing for many more people to take the metro.    As a side note for me, I drive everywhere in Montreal, I take public transit everywhere in Hong Kong.   It's may be hard to imagine, but the offerings in public transit here versus driving and parking at destination make it an absolute no brainer.   The same cannot be said for Montreal, where a 20 minutes car ride is not so comfortably replaced by an hour or more of public transit.</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534995</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 22:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There is still plenty to get the system down to 2 minutes (or even less).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait times could diminish slightly with the addition of more trains, but not much. For safety reasons, trains are not permitted to leave a station until the following station is clear. This prevents situations where a train has to wait inside a tunnel. The result is that the time between trains becomes equal to the longest time it takes for a train to travel to a station, open and close its doors and depart. That&#039;s about two minutes, except on the yellow line where it&#039;s longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is still plenty to get the system down to 2 minutes (or even less).</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait times could diminish slightly with the addition of more trains, but not much. For safety reasons, trains are not permitted to leave a station until the following station is clear. This prevents situations where a train has to wait inside a tunnel. The result is that the time between trains becomes equal to the longest time it takes for a train to travel to a station, open and close its doors and depart. That's about two minutes, except on the yellow line where it's longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534979</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Faiz, I live in Hong Kong.  Here, the Island line runs their trains at 2 minute intervals, which is just about enough time to get a train into a station, load, and out of the station.  Montreal&#039;s metro is nowhere near that level,  the best is 3 minutes on the green line (for a short period in the morning).  There is still plenty to get the system down to 2 minutes (or even less).

Further, with a second line running parallel through the downtown core (orange line), it wouldn&#039;t be hard to move many more people underground.  The real issue in Montreal is a shortage of rolling stock, which really kills things down quite a bit.  There really isn&#039;t any way to make the system run better when you have nothing more to give.

A tram sounds like a nice alternative, but in reality, they are not a very good option.  Montreal could do very much better in the downtown core to make better use of the existing east / west bus lanes,  and possible make that service work better with the Metro system.   It seems silly to think that with all the bus lanes, and all the metro stations in such a small area that any system could consider itself &quot;maxed out&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faiz, I live in Hong Kong.  Here, the Island line runs their trains at 2 minute intervals, which is just about enough time to get a train into a station, load, and out of the station.  Montreal's metro is nowhere near that level,  the best is 3 minutes on the green line (for a short period in the morning).  There is still plenty to get the system down to 2 minutes (or even less).</p>
<p>Further, with a second line running parallel through the downtown core (orange line), it wouldn't be hard to move many more people underground.  The real issue in Montreal is a shortage of rolling stock, which really kills things down quite a bit.  There really isn't any way to make the system run better when you have nothing more to give.</p>
<p>A tram sounds like a nice alternative, but in reality, they are not a very good option.  Montreal could do very much better in the downtown core to make better use of the existing east / west bus lanes,  and possible make that service work better with the Metro system.   It seems silly to think that with all the bus lanes, and all the metro stations in such a small area that any system could consider itself "maxed out".</p>
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		<title>By: emdx</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534978</link>
		<dc:creator>emdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s say the unutterable: building the Métro was a colossal mistake.

There, I said it.

Montréal had an excellent streetcar system, and it should have been upgraded and revamped, and ran through tunnels downtown to ease congestion.

Here is that it could have been: http://emdx.org/rail/metro/pasDeMetro.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let's say the unutterable: building the Métro was a colossal mistake.</p>
<p>There, I said it.</p>
<p>Montréal had an excellent streetcar system, and it should have been upgraded and revamped, and ran through tunnels downtown to ease congestion.</p>
<p>Here is that it could have been: <a href="http://emdx.org/rail/metro/pasDeMetro.php" rel="nofollow">http://emdx.org/rail/metro/pasDeMetro.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: emdx</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534976</link>
		<dc:creator>emdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I see it, the choice is having buses very comfortable for 6 weeks during the year, and having less service throughout the year.

It&#039;s absolutely a no-brainer...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it, the choice is having buses very comfortable for 6 weeks during the year, and having less service throughout the year.</p>
<p>It's absolutely a no-brainer...</p>
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		<title>By: emdx</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534975</link>
		<dc:creator>emdx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 06:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Presto”?

Now tell me that the cards will have the picture of a moose and a flying squirrel???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Presto”?</p>
<p>Now tell me that the cards will have the picture of a moose and a flying squirrel???</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534971</link>
		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 04:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There&#039;s gotta be a way to make the trains and stations cooler and that should be the #1 priority at the STM.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There are ways, but most of them are expensive. Air conditioning the trains just pushes heat into the tunnels and stations, requiring even more air conditioning for the stations, which is very expensive.

The STM is instead focusing on other means of reducing the heat. It&#039;s upgrading the ventilation throughout the metro system to push heat out. As well, the new trains being purchased will be more efficient, giving off less heat. Since heat generated from the trains is the main source of heat through the system (so much so that most of the metro doesn&#039;t need to be heated during the winter), that will make a big difference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There's gotta be a way to make the trains and stations cooler and that should be the #1 priority at the STM.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are ways, but most of them are expensive. Air conditioning the trains just pushes heat into the tunnels and stations, requiring even more air conditioning for the stations, which is very expensive.</p>
<p>The STM is instead focusing on other means of reducing the heat. It's upgrading the ventilation throughout the metro system to push heat out. As well, the new trains being purchased will be more efficient, giving off less heat. Since heat generated from the trains is the main source of heat through the system (so much so that most of the metro doesn't need to be heated during the winter), that will make a big difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2012 02:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s bearable, but it makes a huge difference on a crowded bus packed to the limit. Last year Ottawa reduced its transit service, resulting in extremely crowded buses that can be taxing enough to stand on; when riding a bus without air conditioning, it becomes just that much worse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's bearable, but it makes a huge difference on a crowded bus packed to the limit. Last year Ottawa reduced its transit service, resulting in extremely crowded buses that can be taxing enough to stand on; when riding a bus without air conditioning, it becomes just that much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: William Moss</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534963</link>
		<dc:creator>William Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2012 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, Ottawa is 96.25, not 92.25. The other thing to look at is the cost of a monthly pass in terms of single trip tickets? A regular Ottawa pass costs 37 single trips, if paid for with tickets. (Ottawa only prints one kind of ticket, so a non-express adult fare is $2.60 or two $1.30 tickets)

Hopefully, Presto smartcards will be working well enough to launch in Ottawa in February. Then we&#039;ll get transferable monthly passes, and cheaper single trip prices by using cash on the Presto card instead of tickets. This makes it easier for a couple with one car to swap the bus pass over the course of the month, depending on who needs the car that day, without stranding the other spouse.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, Ottawa is 96.25, not 92.25. The other thing to look at is the cost of a monthly pass in terms of single trip tickets? A regular Ottawa pass costs 37 single trips, if paid for with tickets. (Ottawa only prints one kind of ticket, so a non-express adult fare is $2.60 or two $1.30 tickets)</p>
<p>Hopefully, Presto smartcards will be working well enough to launch in Ottawa in February. Then we'll get transferable monthly passes, and cheaper single trip prices by using cash on the Presto card instead of tickets. This makes it easier for a couple with one car to swap the bus pass over the course of the month, depending on who needs the car that day, without stranding the other spouse.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
		<link>http://blog.fagstein.com/2012/10/31/stm-fare-hikes-2013/comment-page-1/#comment-534935</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 15:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bearable is not the issue.  Bearable is the issue for people who are FORCED to take the bus or don&#039;t have a better alternative.  Bearable isn&#039;t how you sell a product, bearable is the bottle level of service required to keep the people forced to use the service from forming a CLASSE style group to force the leaders of the transit companies to resign.

AC is a simple deal, really.  You make the product not just bearable, but you make it more than tolerable, you make it (eek!) inviting.  You make it a valid choice for 6 to 7 months a year, when sitting in a public bus in your business suit or your decent work clothes leaves you as a sweaty mess.   The idea is to make it so that everyone, from top to bottom, feels that public transit is in fact a valid alternative for their cars.

Without that, they fail, they fail completely, and they will spend their time marketing to people who basically don&#039;t have a choice.

If the outside temp is 18C, and there is sun, the inside temp on a bus sitting in traffic full of people is well over &quot;room temp&quot;.  You cannot make that an inviting option to people who are balancing between taking a car or taking public transit, or for that matter someone looking to take a job downtown (where they might have to take public transit) or the same job in the burbs, Laval, or what have you.

That the price of transit jacks itself way up (doubles?  Triples?) because people live over an imaginary line created by a natural feature (water) is a pretty poor selling technique too.  It&#039;s hard to imagine anything dumber than offering expensive and poorer quality service to people who are most likely to be on the road clogging up your streets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bearable is not the issue.  Bearable is the issue for people who are FORCED to take the bus or don't have a better alternative.  Bearable isn't how you sell a product, bearable is the bottle level of service required to keep the people forced to use the service from forming a CLASSE style group to force the leaders of the transit companies to resign.</p>
<p>AC is a simple deal, really.  You make the product not just bearable, but you make it more than tolerable, you make it (eek!) inviting.  You make it a valid choice for 6 to 7 months a year, when sitting in a public bus in your business suit or your decent work clothes leaves you as a sweaty mess.   The idea is to make it so that everyone, from top to bottom, feels that public transit is in fact a valid alternative for their cars.</p>
<p>Without that, they fail, they fail completely, and they will spend their time marketing to people who basically don't have a choice.</p>
<p>If the outside temp is 18C, and there is sun, the inside temp on a bus sitting in traffic full of people is well over "room temp".  You cannot make that an inviting option to people who are balancing between taking a car or taking public transit, or for that matter someone looking to take a job downtown (where they might have to take public transit) or the same job in the burbs, Laval, or what have you.</p>
<p>That the price of transit jacks itself way up (doubles?  Triples?) because people live over an imaginary line created by a natural feature (water) is a pretty poor selling technique too.  It's hard to imagine anything dumber than offering expensive and poorer quality service to people who are most likely to be on the road clogging up your streets.</p>
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		<title>By: Faiz Imam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faiz Imam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This congestion is one of the main reasons why a tram of some kind makes sense downtown.

The metro itself has neared its limit and stations like Berri or Mcgill can not deal with more numbers. The fact that they are in the middle of the city and surrounded by other actively used buildings makes renovation difficult, and the last remaining way to increase throughput along the line itself is the new higher capacity end-to-end cars, which will start coming in in a couple years. After that max ridership will be reached and the only solution is a new line.

Look at NY, they are building a 2nd avenue line for $Billions even though there is another one only a few blocks west. Problem is that its also reached max capacity.


No way we are going to build a new metro line through downtown Montreal, so a Tram which can handle more passengers than equivalent buses is the best alternative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This congestion is one of the main reasons why a tram of some kind makes sense downtown.</p>
<p>The metro itself has neared its limit and stations like Berri or Mcgill can not deal with more numbers. The fact that they are in the middle of the city and surrounded by other actively used buildings makes renovation difficult, and the last remaining way to increase throughput along the line itself is the new higher capacity end-to-end cars, which will start coming in in a couple years. After that max ridership will be reached and the only solution is a new line.</p>
<p>Look at NY, they are building a 2nd avenue line for $Billions even though there is another one only a few blocks west. Problem is that its also reached max capacity.</p>
<p>No way we are going to build a new metro line through downtown Montreal, so a Tram which can handle more passengers than equivalent buses is the best alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Omi-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omi-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t care about A/C in buses. It&#039;s the Metro that&#039;s extremely hot and uncomfortable nearly all year long (Not just during heat waves as people who never take the Metro seem to think). There&#039;s gotta be a way to make the trains and stations cooler and that should be the #1 priority at the STM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't care about A/C in buses. It's the Metro that's extremely hot and uncomfortable nearly all year long (Not just during heat waves as people who never take the Metro seem to think). There's gotta be a way to make the trains and stations cooler and that should be the #1 priority at the STM.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnMcClane</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnMcClane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 03:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That would be great, but the 427 is a lot slower than the metro, almost the double time to go to downtown.  We people of the plateau are forced to sacrifice speed to the people living the suburbs taking the metro.  If only they could have a dedicated line on St-Denis, but no...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be great, but the 427 is a lot slower than the metro, almost the double time to go to downtown.  We people of the plateau are forced to sacrifice speed to the people living the suburbs taking the metro.  If only they could have a dedicated line on St-Denis, but no...</p>
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		<title>By: Fagstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fagstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 02:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, opening the windows will cool the bus, but it makes it windy when it&#039;s moving, and warm when it isn&#039;t moving. It&#039;s nowhere as comfortable as an AC system.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The question is whether it would be bearable. And except for a couple of weeks in late July, I think it would.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, opening the windows will cool the bus, but it makes it windy when it's moving, and warm when it isn't moving. It's nowhere as comfortable as an AC system.</p></blockquote>
<p>The question is whether it would be bearable. And except for a couple of weeks in late July, I think it would.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex H</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Himidex is a bit misleading.  It can be as low as 16 or 17 degrees, and with the sun the inside of a bus could be 25-30 degrees without ventilation.  A AC system runs very effeciently when it pulls outside air and only has to cool it slightly.  But without it, the buses are warm.

Yes, opening the windows will cool the bus, but it makes it windy when it&#039;s moving, and warm when it isn&#039;t moving.  It&#039;s nowhere as comfortable as an AC system.

As for the pools, it&#039;s the point that for much more than half the year, they are useless - too cold, frozen, covered in snow... why bother?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Himidex is a bit misleading.  It can be as low as 16 or 17 degrees, and with the sun the inside of a bus could be 25-30 degrees without ventilation.  A AC system runs very effeciently when it pulls outside air and only has to cool it slightly.  But without it, the buses are warm.</p>
<p>Yes, opening the windows will cool the bus, but it makes it windy when it's moving, and warm when it isn't moving.  It's nowhere as comfortable as an AC system.</p>
<p>As for the pools, it's the point that for much more than half the year, they are useless - too cold, frozen, covered in snow... why bother?</p>
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